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s and salutations friends and welcome

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back

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today we will be venturing off into

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other subjects for the first time in

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quite a while uh and this case is a case

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that I have been following very closely

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today we'll be talking about the

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University of Idaho killings

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uh we're going to be providing an update

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on many things and information that has

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been uh released or being talked about

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since the arrest of a suspect but just

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to give a quick overview for those

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completely unfamiliar with the case in

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the early morning hours of November 13

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2022 for University of Idaho students

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were fatally stabbed in their off-campus

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residence in the town of Moscow Idaho on

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December 30th 28 year old Brian

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Christopher coburger was arrested in

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Monroe County Pennsylvania and

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interestingly I have a connection to

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Monroe County Pennsylvania and I even

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feel like I may have seen this suspect

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around town

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that is very very close to a cabin that

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I own in the Pocono Mountains of

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Pennsylvania Brian was from the Pocono

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Mountains of Pennsylvania and he was

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arrested on four counts of murder in the

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first degree and felony burglary

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interestingly the suspect is a very

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steeped in the world of criminology and

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before we begin however I think it's

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always important that we recognize

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that these are this is a human tragedy

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so I've seen many different people cover

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this story and and they fail to even

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mention the names of the students please

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remember these are human beings

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uh the victims were Ethan Chapin 20 of

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Conway Washington Kaylee then Collins 21

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uh of Rathdrum Idaho zaina kernodle 20

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of Avondale Arizona she later lived in

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Post Falls Idaho and Madison Logan 21

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of uh guard deleen Idaho

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and um

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you know we should take a moment of

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silence to remember those victims

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before we begin

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please keep them and their friends and

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family in your thoughts and prayers now

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joining us uh I I we have a special

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guest today who lives in the area and is

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also has been very uh lives in the area

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that these tragic murders took place in

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and has been following this case very

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closely so let's welcome Aaron good to

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see you Aaron thank you for having me on

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Stephen yeah

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yeah great I'm glad I'm so glad to have

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you and just so people understand Aaron

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contacted me and tell us a little bit

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about you and where you live and and and

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that so people understand why uh you

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know the context because I think that

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you're uniquely qualified to come here

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and talk about this with me because you

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live right there right yes uh just

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across the street from the University of

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Idaho

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um probably about a minute and a half

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from where uh they uh the event happened

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I'm a student there I had class canceled

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was around uh the entire police response

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the whole time and uh pretty I've been

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keeping up with this case and yeah the

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public around here has been reacting

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and before we begin on on some updates

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finding it difficult to get new

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information of of the the suspect and

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what's going on with that but before we

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begin I think maybe since you live right

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there it would be important to help

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people understand what was the

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atmosphere like when the the murders

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were sort of announced when people

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started hearing about this was there

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increased police presence was there fear

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paranoia were people uh running out and

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buying guns and security systems because

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you know this is not something this is a

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little small town like a a quadruple

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murder in the middle of the night

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doesn't generally happen there no no the

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heard about it was about four hours

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distinctly the Moscow Pullman Daily News

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uh the day that it had happened uh and

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people were surprised uh like I said

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there was uh nobody really locks their

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doors out here uh

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right yeah like my friend don't lock

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their doors and uh it's very laid back

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atmosphere uh not a lot of bad things

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happen here it's a lot of mostly uh

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families and college students

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so a lot of people were kind of hesitant

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to even walk around the campus and

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um I there's a there's a gas station

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across the street from here across the

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street from the University and uh the uh

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the cashiers were spooked as well

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that's gets a little scary somebody's

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running around killing people at four

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o'clock in the morning if you're you

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know working overnight because you you

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did there appear to you to be like an

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increased police presence at night was

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there increased patrols or not for about

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the first three days uh they canceled

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class the day following that Monday I

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think it was that Monday they had

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canceled class uh

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out like a press conference and after

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that it wasn't even I didn't see the

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local police department really it was

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the state troopers

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and the way that this town is built is

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that there's a lot of Choke points

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because it's like the towns goes back to

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the 18 late 1800s it wasn't built for

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like the population that now has there

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was only so many roads so there's a lot

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of Choke points like there's maybe only

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like two ways you can get to the other

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side of town and one of them yeah well

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that's interesting yeah one of them

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being right next to where it happened

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there was constantly like three patrol

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cars there there was uh always patrol

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cars I you I leave the library like at

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midnight and even getting in my car

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there's a patrol car driving home

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there's like three more and they're all

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state troopers

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they're yeah they're I didn't see like

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Moscow PD at all for for a while

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um even what was the sense what was the

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sense I'm curious did people think oh

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this is a this is a targeted killing and

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and you know a Revenge thing a serial

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killer what was the General mood or or

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things people were saying about

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this this happening

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people of the first thought because

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these were attractive people they

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thought that it may have been an X

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that that did it yeah like a Revenge

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killing that's what I thought that was

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my my my two original thoughts were that

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this is some kind of frustrated simp

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who can't get laid or you know some sort

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of uh you know weirdo that's angry and

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hates women or this is a Revenge killing

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and the other three were just happened

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to be there or whatever so we had to

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kill them too

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because yeah well before we go on I have

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to say that currently I think there's a

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gag order for all parties involved by a

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later County judge so therefore like

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whatever we have at this point is all

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we're going to have until like June when

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there's there's more yeah and also

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people will have to forgive me because

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I'm sort of new to True Crime so I

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didn't give the normal speech and I will

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give it now uh all suspects are innocent

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until proven guilty in a court of law

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they have arrested a suspect but he is

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still considered innocent until proven

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guilty

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um and and let's talk about that for a

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minute do you believe that they have the

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right guy

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well what do you think after all we're

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going to discuss here yeah I think I

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think we make we may have gotten him but

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I will say I I'm sure they they got I'm

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pretty sure that they got the right guy

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but what I'm concerned with is a thing

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called Reasonable Doubt

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because there's a lot of evidence uh

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we'll share this in a moment that you

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sent me his cell phone was right near

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that area uh where the murder took place

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many times

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um there is uh DNA from a knife sheath

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left at the scene of the crime

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uh and you know

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but I still think that and also one of

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the surviving roommates saw the

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perpetrator

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but he had a mask on

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so I'm still concerned with Reasonable

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Doubt because these are things you know

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he could say hey I have insomnia so I

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drive around at night and I drive in

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that area or I shop near there so that's

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why I was there so many times in that

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area or you know and and the the

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surviving roommate seeing someone in a

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mask is is that's reasonable doubt right

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there it's it's a person in a mask you

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saw his eyebrows in his eyes you can't

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you know for for 100 sure identify him

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don't you think that the case they have

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good evidence and I think they have the

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right guy but you know we've seen many

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different cases where all it takes is

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one juror to say Reasonable Doubt and

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this guy could get off for four murders

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that would be tragic well

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um there's another thing that could add

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to the Reasonable Doubt I'm not sure if

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you remember the grub truck footage yes

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from like it happened probably an hour

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to an hour and a half before the event

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supposedly took place there were two of

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the victims were clearly intoxicated

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it's a college town There's a bar

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there's like a downtown Street and

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there's multiple bars along there it's

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very common for people to walk

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intoxicated up and down and get tacos at

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this taco truck and they stream live to

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Twitch their security footage right and

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they were waiting in line for food

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clearly intoxicated and there was

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somebody that came up to them they were

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they they were they were clothed little

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bit too much they had hat on they had

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their their hood on like that yeah he

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was an early suspect but apparently the

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police cleared him but that's again

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Reasonable Doubt why it could have been

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him could have been this person could

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have been that person you know he went

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to Boise that like that exact same night

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like at you know it's like a seven hour

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drive down to Boise why would you leave

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to Boise up you know 4 4 30 in the

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morning uh so that's that's one thing

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but that was like the first thing that

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people thought was like it was this guy

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and they were they everybody was

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centered in on that at first but he said

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he got cleared uh yeah and let's talk

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for a minute it's just so people are

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aware at the scene of a murder there was

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a leather night knife sheath was left by

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one of the victims and it said United

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States Marine Corps on it and in the

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snap or the Buckle of it is where they

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found a tiny Speck of this Brian

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coburger's DNA

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but couldn't he easily say to raise

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reasonable doubt that knife was stolen

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from him or

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something like that and again you know

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uh also on the knife knife sheath I I

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thought that him being a let's talk for

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a minute about his background he is a

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got a lot of education and criminology

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and psychology

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and apparently was fascinated with

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serial killers

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um I thought that he may have left that

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there as a red herring on purpose to

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throw off the police so they would go

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looking for somebody who was a marine or

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something like that but apparently maybe

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he didn't clean it enough inside the

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Buckle strap you know the inside the

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button is where they found a tiny Speck

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of DNA which they then matched to his

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father and then him apparently

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you know uh that's that's a strange

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thing for somebody who is uh so educated

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in criminology to make a mistake like

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that so what's your take on this knife

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sheath do you think he dropped it by

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accident or did he put it there to throw

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off the police and just didn't clean it

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and and the police got lucky finding a

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scrap of his skin cells or something on

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it

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looking at them and uh observing his

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body language you could tell his IQ is

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not low like this guy's not I don't

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think he's a dumb person but he did some

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like especially what we're gonna go over

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is a lot of the thumb things were really

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like dumb little things that he did that

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would it just doesn't make sense that he

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would leave

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something like a like a sheath with DNA

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uh on your uh uh where you did it

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it doesn't it doesn't make any sense

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well I I I would I thought as well like

329
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if this really is his first time

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murdering people

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you know uh especially murdering four

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people at once like things can get crazy

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uh I'm sure some of the victims

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attempted to fight back or whatever

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maybe he faced more resistance than he

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thought he would or something and and

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drop the knife in the heat of uh killing

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these people it's strange but here is uh

339
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some images of this Brian coburger and

340
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he was a student at a nearby school

341
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right WSU and a PhD candidate in what

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subject criminology

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that's amazing to me fascinating that a

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man who has a p is a PhD candidate in

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criminology gets caught murdering four

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people

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and is there some other things you can

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share that you've learned about Mr

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coburger I know that I have a connection

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to him and that is I swear he seems so

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familiar to me that I may have seen him

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in the Pocono Mountains you know for

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those unaware of the Poconos it's just a

354
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bunch of little small towns but there's

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only

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as far as big box stores let's talk

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about that

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in the Pocono Mountains there's like one

359
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Walmart maybe two there's one Home Depot

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maybe two so there's not many shopping

361
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areas I swear I've seen this guy

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somewhere before he seemed incredibly

363
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familiar to me and the Poconos is a

364
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bunch of small towns in the mountains

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but the shopping centers are all in

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other words 25 small towns around the

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Pocono Mountains all go to the same

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Walmart there's only one or two or

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whatever you know so I swear that I've

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seen this guy before he looks very

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familiar to me

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um and I may have seen him around the

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Pocono Mountains for all I know

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00:17:36,409 --> 00:17:33,780
um but he's got a background in

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Psychology and criminology and

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apparently sort of a fascination with uh

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serial killers he did this student

378
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project where he asked criminals to tell

379
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him all about how they felt going into

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the crime and it's just

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I think he was teaching he was teaching

382
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he was teaching at the time and I think

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he avoided the subject of what had

384
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happened during the last they were

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talking about the murders in his classes

386
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yeah and he sort of avoided them right

387
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yes he did I mean just imagine what it

388
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must be like to have been a student in

389
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his class you go on break after the end

390
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of the semester and you find out that

391
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your teacher is a suspect in this

392
00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:17,400
right yeah how would that feel

393
00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:21,059
oh yeah that is really crazy and

394
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:22,679
some of the other things we know about

395
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him is that he was apparently a militant

396
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vegan

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of refusing to even eat food that was

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cooked in pots that may have one time

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contained meat yes that's a little

400
00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:36,179
strange and may show some signs of uh

401
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psychological problems maybe to be that

402
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:46,850
he claimed that the reason he turned the

403
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the supposedly like I don't know but

404
00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:52,500
there was I think the FBI has gone back

405
00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:54,360
and found like threads that he had like

406
00:18:58,010 --> 00:18:56,760
been commenting on yeah I was gonna I

407
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have a note here to talk about his

408
00:19:05,330 --> 00:19:00,780
online presence which was bizarre he

409
00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:05,340
said that being vegan uh alleviated some

410
00:19:10,190 --> 00:19:07,380
symptoms psychological symptoms of

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00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:10,200
dissociation perhaps or what was what

412
00:19:15,409 --> 00:19:14,039
was the term used here where he um it

413
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wasn't like a it was almost like a state

414
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:16,860
of blackout

415
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,440
which is is rather strange but he claims

416
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:21,840
that veganism alleviated those symptoms

417
00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:24,960
and he became militant about it as a

418
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result

419
00:19:30,909 --> 00:19:28,320
oh yeah

420
00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:30,919
yeah it's kind of just kind of a strange

421
00:19:36,650 --> 00:19:34,620
situation and also you know I heard some

422
00:19:39,770 --> 00:19:36,660
people that knew him in high school and

423
00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:39,780
grew up with him and apparently this guy

424
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,419
was not let's just say very lucky with

425
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,880
the ladies and that may lead to some

426
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:46,799
sort of motive that this guy is a

427
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,679
man-hating sort of synth or involved in

428
00:19:55,610 --> 00:19:52,799
that sort of movement or Community

429
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:55,620
um and that is you know involuntary

430
00:20:01,130 --> 00:19:59,280
celibate in other words not very lucky

431
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,140
with the ladies and therefore some of

432
00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:03,840
these guys get very angry towards women

433
00:20:07,549 --> 00:20:05,100
and

434
00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:07,559
I originally when I saw that I thought

435
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:09,780
that the murders I thought that that had

436
00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:12,960
to be a sex crime but there was no signs

437
00:20:21,950 --> 00:20:19,909
well from what we know there was one of

438
00:20:24,529 --> 00:20:21,960
the victims who was

439
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:24,539
um affected who was wounded a little

440
00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:27,840
more personably where uh yeah more

441
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,140
wounds but I kind of disagree some

442
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:34,080
people for those unaware out of the four

443
00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:37,740
victims one of them was uh suffered more

444
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,539
vicious wounds

445
00:20:45,049 --> 00:20:42,240
and more of an attack uh than the other

446
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,059
three so people speculated that that was

447
00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:47,280
the victim and the others were just

448
00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:48,900
incidental because they happened to be

449
00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:52,380
there that was the Target but I talked

450
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,120
to a few people in law enforcement who

451
00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:55,919
told me that's not always the case it

452
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:57,780
may just be that that specific victim

453
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:01,679
fought back more or was uh harder to

454
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:05,160
kill you may say you know so that may be

455
00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:07,860
the reason could I quote some rather

456
00:21:12,890 --> 00:21:09,860
yeah sure sure I could be wrong sure

457
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,900
supposedly when when according to one of

458
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:14,640
the eyewitnesses that was there because

459
00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:16,740
they I think one of them said that there

460
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:19,620
was like a party supposedly going on and

461
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,140
thought something or one of them

462
00:21:24,830 --> 00:21:23,520
supposedly cleaned like and there's a

463
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:24,840
gag order so we're not going to find out

464
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:26,460
until there's more hearings

465
00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:32,100
but supposedly allegedly as he was uh

466
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:34,860
hurting one of the victims

467
00:21:41,289 --> 00:21:38,159
the witness claimed to have heard him

468
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:41,299
tell the victim

469
00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,360
shush I'm here I'm gonna help you

470
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,700
and then proceeded to hurt them

471
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,440
after telling him that he's going to

472
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,640
help them which is uh I mean if if

473
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,440
whoever did it whoever whoever did the

474
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,200
crime supposedly said that which

475
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:00,960
indicates absolute psychopathy uh or at

476
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,419
least yeah yeah absolutely and if you've

477
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:05,580
seen some of this guys online presence

478
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,340
because there's also various rumors that

479
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:11,280
this guy may have been on Reddit arguing

480
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,980
with people about the murders leading up

481
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,360
to his arrest

482
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,240
I heard about that yeah yeah yeah in

483
00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:20,880
other words people were saying oh uh

484
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,880
this guy was the the the murder was this

485
00:22:27,529 --> 00:22:25,500
or the murder was that and he was

486
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:27,539
correcting them talking about how the

487
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,179
murders took place in very explicit

488
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,919
details that were turned out to be

489
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:33,960
correct whoever this Reddit poster was

490
00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:37,080
and then interestingly that person who

491
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,700
was posting about the murders and

492
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:40,260
arguing with people about the murders

493
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:43,559
every day after this Brian coburger was

494
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:46,799
arrested those posts stopped completely

495
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,580
so this guy may have been on Reddit

496
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:53,280
sick enough to argue with people about

497
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,320
the motivations of the murderer what

498
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,780
kind of a person he was you know he was

499
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:00,179
like correcting this Reddit poster was

500
00:23:06,110 --> 00:23:03,419
correcting people uh yes about details

501
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:06,120
of the murder and then some people claim

502
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,620
that he was talking about things that

503
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,780
only the murderer would know but we

504
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:11,880
won't know until more details of the

505
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,120
case emerge what was truly him one thing

506
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,460
that I do know is uh during the visual

507
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,440
that was at the local football stadium

508
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,659
on campus yeah it looks like he was

509
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,520
there no well I'm not sure if he was

510
00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:25,200
there I know that the uh that law

511
00:23:31,549 --> 00:23:27,659
enforcement was closely monitoring those

512
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:31,559
who went there because people who do

513
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,720
these crimes tend to want to it's almost

514
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:35,520
like a certain like a form of mocking

515
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,740
their victims yeah they go to the

516
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:39,600
funerals yeah like I did it and then I

517
00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:40,860
went to your funeral I went to your

518
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,820
visual just uh it's it's it does the

519
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:47,039
sick Dynamic that goes on well I yeah

520
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:49,260
there's actually exists one case I'm

521
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:51,480
aware of where the murderer was a

522
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:53,700
pallbearer at the funeral of a murder

523
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,039
victim in other words he not only

524
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:57,960
attended the funeral but he carried the

525
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:58,860
casket

526
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,740
of the girl he killed that's so people

527
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,600
inject them these murderers inject

528
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:05,820
themselves and they get some sort of

529
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:08,580
strange psychological thrill out of

530
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:09,720
being there

531
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,120
and there does exist a video it's still

532
00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:14,159
unconfirmed if it was his or not but a

533
00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:16,020
lot of people believe that this Brian

534
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:18,299
coburger attended this Candlelight

535
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,600
visual vigil for the victims after the

536
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:22,559
murders

537
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:25,740
that's crazy I was not aware of that but

538
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:27,780
I you know I I didn't know that law

539
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:29,159
enforcement was looking out for people

540
00:24:33,770 --> 00:24:31,380
that were going in and out of the of

541
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,780
course that they were they were holding

542
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:35,340
um and I know this is all speculation

543
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:38,760
but yes when we when you saw this guy

544
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:41,280
get arrested and and you know that some

545
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,039
of the grisly details of this murder

546
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,320
for me I didn't think that this was his

547
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,440
first murder because to go from zero to

548
00:24:54,529 --> 00:24:52,320
killing four people at once is very very

549
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,539
uncommon I would think an extreme

550
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:56,220
usually

551
00:25:03,409 --> 00:24:57,780
you know

552
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,419
he'll kill one victim then maybe two

553
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,760
then go on to do something like

554
00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:08,400
insane like four at once

555
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:10,860
do you think this was his first actual

556
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:11,820
murder

557
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,120
and we may see more or do you think

558
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:17,700
um that this was his first time

559
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:21,539
I think that if it was a search murder

560
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,419
and he snapped he's going to be studied

561
00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:27,539
by a criminal psychologist for a long

562
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,100
time coming because you're correct

563
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:31,559
typically I don't think it's typical for

564
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,539
somebody to just go out and and and and

565
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,480
and and and do this to four people at

566
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:39,120
once but if he did snap and this was his

567
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:42,360
first go at it the for a psychologist to

568
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:43,980
study that would be something that they

569
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:46,919
would really have to closely look at

570
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,460
um what factors could have right this

571
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:52,080
guy is particularly I have a feeling

572
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,640
he's going to be studied for a long time

573
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:55,919
by criminal psychologists if it is

574
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:58,500
specifically if it was his first go at

575
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,020
at this crime

576
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,840
um yeah yeah I I I I I'm not I'm not

577
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:05,940
sure what to think of that he could have

578
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,000
snapped he could have snapped I I said

579
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,640
he doesn't look like he has

580
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:14,520
a lot of uh muscle mass to him you know

581
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,779
for him to do this to four people they

582
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,659
had to have been intoxicated uh even if

583
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,400
they well you're talking about three

584
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:22,320
women and I believe two of them were

585
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:26,400
very small and petite and the man wasn't

586
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,820
a big man that was murdered so but still

587
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:31,860
you know

588
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,039
it's it's it was shocking to me first

589
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,260
that he's a criminology student and he

590
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:38,880
we're going to get into the Amateur hour

591
00:26:45,169 --> 00:26:41,940
mistakes that he seems to have made and

592
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,179
second that he would go from zero to I'm

593
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,640
gonna go kill four people at once and

594
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,860
then there's the whole issue of he left

595
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,039
two victims downstairs one of which may

596
00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:55,500
be able to ID him or at least his you

597
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:56,360
know

598
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,640
be crazy to me but to go from zero to

599
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,860
I'm gonna go I'm gonna break in this

600
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:07,679
home and there's six people in it and

601
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:10,380
I'm gonna murder people there that seems

602
00:27:15,649 --> 00:27:13,559
to be first maybe he's a very arrogant

603
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,659
person and he thought his

604
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:17,760
study of criminology would help him get

605
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:20,760
away with it somehow but it just seems

606
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:23,220
very extreme to me to go from

607
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,980
you know very little or no criminal

608
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,140
background to I'm gonna go in this house

609
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,299
and kill four people at once

610
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:32,760
yes because of the gag order going on

611
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,059
right now we we we're not sure if he was

612
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,100
following anybody on Instagram for

613
00:27:42,110 --> 00:27:40,200
example the fem I think that hurts

614
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,120
there's rumors yeah there's rumors that

615
00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:44,760
he was following some of them or were

616
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:46,260
the family claims to have found a

617
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:48,059
connection with at least one of them and

618
00:27:51,289 --> 00:27:49,260
if you look at the house where it

619
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:51,299
happened it's it's like especially if

620
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,340
you're driving by like a Greek Road you

621
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,559
could see it it looks kind of like now

622
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,080
it kind of stands out right

623
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,000
um I think it's going to stand out for a

624
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,440
long time oh that's the murder house

625
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:04,740
yeah had they just locked their door I

626
00:28:08,029 --> 00:28:06,120
mean this probably wouldn't have gone

627
00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:08,039
you know what I mean like unfortunately

628
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:11,240
but like you know

629
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:14,220
he didn't like force his way in there

630
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,200
and he just walked out you know because

631
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,720
people aren't used to that around here

632
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:20,159
um yeah

633
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:21,900
yeah well

634
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:23,820
yeah and I was going to share we could

635
00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:26,580
talk about the uh the stalking because

636
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:28,919
you have a great graphic here I'm going

637
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,779
to share my screen

638
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,779
so apparently his cell phone pinged and

639
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:36,480
and was right near

640
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,000
uh right near the murder scene many

641
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:41,820
times yes

642
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,340
we have August 21st Brian coburger's

643
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:45,840
phone is picked up close to Moscow

644
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:49,020
murder house between 10 34 p.m and 11 35

645
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,220
P.M

646
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,340
he makes it 11 subsequent visits before

647
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:55,860
the November 13th murders

648
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:58,760
so 11 times he was right near the home

649
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,740
uh November 13th co-burger's phone is

650
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:03,779
picked up near the home and

651
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:06,600
Pullman Washington phone began to travel

652
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,340
South through Pullman before going

653
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,279
offline so his phone goes he turns his

654
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:13,919
phone off when he goes allegedly goes to

655
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:15,539
do the murders

656
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:18,539
4 a.m to 4 20 a.m is when the murders

657
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:19,559
occur

658
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,279
uh 4 48 a.m coburger's phone pings again

659
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,220
on Idaho State Highway 95 south of

660
00:29:31,549 --> 00:29:29,279
Moscow so if we believe he's the

661
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,559
murderer it appears that he turned his

662
00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:34,200
phone off before he went in to do the

663
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:35,700
murders and then turned his phone off

664
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,059
driving back on driving home which again

665
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,760
is is another Amateur hour mistake I

666
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,399
would think being so well educated in

667
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,200
criminology he would know that could be

668
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,720
a problem for him later there's so much

669
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,640
there's so much to unpack there's like

670
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,080
at least three points to be made here

671
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:54,840
particularly the first one is the August

672
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,840
21st 2002 there's a point to be made

673
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:00,059
there because

674
00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:01,860
um if you've ever like there's it's

675
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,659
there's only one road from here to Boise

676
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,240
and about two or three days before the

677
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:08,100
start of the semester it's packed

678
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:09,960
because people are coming over here or

679
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:12,120
when the semester ends right and the

680
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:13,500
first day of the semester for the fall

681
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,880
of 2022 was it was August 22nd so he was

682
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:19,200
the first time he pinged at the

683
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:21,539
residence was literally about eight

684
00:30:25,250 --> 00:30:23,399
hours before the start of class on the

685
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,260
first day of the semester

686
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,419
right yeah that's a little suspect and

687
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:29,279
what no there's no reason for him to

688
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,080
have been and specifically in that part

689
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:32,880
of town where there's like there's

690
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,380
nothing there it's close to like the

691
00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:35,880
high-end part of town or the upper class

692
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,980
part of town right that where the nicer

693
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,360
houses are but it's like right next to

694
00:30:45,049 --> 00:30:41,520
campus there's no reason for somebody

695
00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:45,059
who went to WSU to be in that part of

696
00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:47,159
town number one you can't even Park on

697
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:48,299
that road really well because the

698
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:51,539
parking situation is terrible there and

699
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,140
for you to be for an hour there at 10 30

700
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,120
the day before the start of the semester

701
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:00,240
is so suspect I I can't it's hard to

702
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,740
wrap your mind around

703
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,080
yeah so apparently he may have been

704
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,720
stalking one or more of these victims

705
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,760
driving by their house

706
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,039
maybe he was getting obsessed or

707
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:13,140
obsessive about one or more of these

708
00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:14,580
female victims

709
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,020
or male victim for all we know you know

710
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,240
the situation is strange though but

711
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,520
couldn't again to play Devil's Advocate

712
00:31:28,909 --> 00:31:26,220
I'm worried about Reasonable Doubt you

713
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,919
know could this guy have been uh like a

714
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,260
GrubHub delivery driver or an Uber

715
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,320
driver or what you know could he have

716
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:36,360
some excuse for being there is there

717
00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,659
shopping nearby there like a there's a

718
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,460
supermarket nearby there right or

719
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:43,860
shopping center over a year ago I did

720
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,880
deliver uh uh a doordash shorter to like

721
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:49,620
the lot next to it

722
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:52,380
but it's it's just a bunch of Apartments

723
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,360
it's like it's a huge apartment complex

724
00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:56,580
to one side it's house it's it's

725
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,440
apartments across the street it's

726
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,600
apartments behind it there's a house

727
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,600
next to it there's no shop so there's no

728
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:05,640
real re yeah there's no real reason for

729
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,220
him to be going down that road no it's

730
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,559
all residential it's all it's all just

731
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:13,200
apartment complex and and that that's it

732
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,179
well I think then he's going to have a

733
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:17,220
problem explaining these things and why

734
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,380
he was so close to that house so many

735
00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:20,399
times

736
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:23,159
well and it's very common right for for

737
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:26,460
murderers to stalk victims and fantasize

738
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,580
right maybe he drove there 12 times

739
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,440
thinking about doing it and on this

740
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:33,720
fateful night he decided to go in and do

741
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,140
it after you know fantasizing about it

742
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:39,360
and thinking about it for so long well

743
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:42,419
the August 21st one it seems to me that

744
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,279
he knew that they had come back to town

745
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:47,039
or something like they they went away

746
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,779
for the summer and they're coming back

747
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,840
the semester starts the next morning and

748
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,399
that you're going to be there stalking

749
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,100
them for an hour in the evening that

750
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:58,559
that that's more that's it's plausible

751
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:00,299
it's very it's very plausible that that

752
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:03,000
was the case because it was like right

753
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:05,100
before the start of the semester there

754
00:33:10,269 --> 00:33:07,500
yeah and there's some other other very

755
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,279
suspicious things like for those unaware

756
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:13,980
uh right after the murders he he somehow

757
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:16,380
decides that he's going to drive

758
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,340
from uh Washington you know uh all the

759
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,279
way to Pennsylvania right

760
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,679
well before before we before we move to

761
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,480
that point can can we can we unpack one

762
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,279
more point and this yeah yeah sure sure

763
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,159
yeah absolutely uh can you pull up the

764
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:35,640
slide again oh sure the phone slide uh

765
00:33:41,389 --> 00:33:39,299
no the uh the route the route uh okay

766
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,399
yeah oh wait a minute and we have some

767
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:44,159
uh on the record we have uh

768
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,779
notice of Rights paperwork no uh

769
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,880
I'm sorry I'm not sure which one you

770
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:52,860
want me to share let me look here

771
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:56,159
the one with the the route uh oh okay

772
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:57,720
the one you just you know what you're

773
00:34:03,590 --> 00:33:59,880
showing okay hold on one second let me

774
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,210
okay I got it let me share my screen

775
00:34:13,970 --> 00:34:11,030
yeah and and for those unaware so so

776
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:13,980
this suspect was uh just 10 minutes away

777
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,040
at another school right across the state

778
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,639
line right right and that the reason why

779
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,379
I wanted there's the state line between

780
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,320
Washington and Idaho

781
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:27,480
yes now but it's really you see that's

782
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,580
where it gets deceptive and people get

783
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,260
confused easily right Aaron because

784
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:33,240
people say well he lived in Washington

785
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:35,099
state why would he drive all the way to

786
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,260
Idaho to do a murder it's 10 minutes

787
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:40,619
away it's right on the state line yes

788
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,139
and there's a road connecting Pullman

789
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,599
and Moscow directly like you you could

790
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:48,960
get there in 15 minutes right now that

791
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:51,179
route that he took going 95 South down

792
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:54,500
to Genesee and then going to the the the

793
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,300
Washington side of that southern route

794
00:35:02,270 --> 00:34:59,040
part of that route would be Uniontown

795
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:02,280
right you're adding an unnecessary hour

796
00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:04,140
to your trip

797
00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:06,660
right uh you're turning a 15-minute

798
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:09,300
drive into an hour and 10 minute drive

799
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,099
probably

800
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,400
um by doing this route which is so

801
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,859
unnecessary to do

802
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,320
you understand like there's no there's

803
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,300
no reason for some for for a normal

804
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:23,760
person would just go from like Moscow to

805
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,140
Pullman on on the straight road that

806
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,880
connects the Two Towns you wouldn't go

807
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:29,400
for Moscow or allegedly on the night

808
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:30,780
that it happened he went from Pullman

809
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,720
down to Uniontown to Genesee back up to

810
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:35,940
Moscow and then went back the other way

811
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:39,000
like nobody nobody would do that no no

812
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,859
nobody would that you would just take

813
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,359
the one road that takes you 10 minutes

814
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:44,460
yeah your most direct route yeah I don't

815
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,960
know about you but every every time I

816
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:47,280
drive somewhere I take the most direct

817
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,839
route I don't I don't want to drive any

818
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:50,579
longer than I have to

819
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:54,180
yeah exactly oh and you know I think

820
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:56,040
it's also interesting that we have note

821
00:36:03,050 --> 00:35:59,579
here that uh after the murders he goes

822
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:03,060
back at uh after so he gets home to his

823
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,460
home at 5 30 a.m which was an apartment

824
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,440
house right across the state line from

825
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:09,240
the the home where the murders took

826
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,140
place

827
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:12,540
at 9 00 a.m his phone begins to move

828
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:13,500
again

829
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,440
and at 9 32 a.m right after the murders

830
00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:18,780
his phone is picked up near the Moscow

831
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:20,220
murder house

832
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,280
that's very suspicious you know maybe he

833
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:25,440
was driving back to see if the police

834
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,540
were there yet or what was going on over

835
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,040
there right

836
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:32,160
it it you said it was a lot of uh

837
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:34,200
mistakes there's a lot of mistakes going

838
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:37,740
on like why would why that's and because

839
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:40,380
of the area I mean the only reason I

840
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,560
think they were able to to find the the

841
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,079
route he went on the on his way out he

842
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,480
went through the upper class part of

843
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,520
town and it's like a maze there's a lot

844
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,980
of twists and turns in that part and I

845
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,780
think the only way that they saw his

846
00:36:58,910 --> 00:36:56,880
white car driving away because of some

847
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,920
uh surveillance you know property

848
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,200
surveillance footage that homeowners may

849
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:03,119
have had in the area

850
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:07,560
um and uh yeah he wouldn't see that that

851
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,060
right there was

852
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:10,980
um you know there there is a way that he

853
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,040
could have done this and not have had uh

854
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:16,619
it would have been a lot easier I mean

855
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:19,380
it would have been a lot uh difficult a

856
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,820
lot more difficult for for law

857
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,800
enforcement to to say oh we need to look

858
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,240
for a white car

859
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,440
um there is a way he could have done

860
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:26,640
this

861
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:29,880
um instead of driving from where he did

862
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:33,300
it supposedly uh in getting in his car

863
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,820
and driving away he left he got on

864
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:37,800
surveillance footage and and they they

865
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,900
were able to and this is another mistake

866
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,420
and yeah I think I think some things

867
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,640
that are worthy of considering is that

868
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,380
the days where somebody can get away

869
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:48,839
with murder are are

870
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:51,960
really gone I mean you know imagine

871
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,780
murders before DNA all they have is like

872
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,339
fingerprints so all you have to do is

873
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,839
wear gloves and you could get away with

874
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:00,720
murder today everybody has cameras

875
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:03,960
everywhere you know like people have

876
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:06,660
doordash cameras or or not door dash

877
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:08,099
cameras but you know what I mean like

878
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,140
there's just uh I forget what they're

879
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,720
called we have one you know there's and

880
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:14,640
and we could see if somebody drives by

881
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,540
our home it records it so you know it's

882
00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:20,280
a lot more difficult to get away with

883
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:22,859
these things there's a lot more ways to

884
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,099
get caught on film and apparently they

885
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,200
have him in multiple

886
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,960
multiple locations driving away from the

887
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:32,220
scene and

888
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:34,380
the interesting and then let's talk

889
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:37,800
about so after the murders he his father

890
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:40,280
flies to Washington from Pennsylvania

891
00:38:46,910 --> 00:38:45,119
and the two of them go and drive back to

892
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,920
Pennsylvania

893
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,260
while they are looking for the vehicle

894
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,480
so they're looking for his vehicle he

895
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:53,280
decides he's going to drive his vehicle

896
00:39:01,450 --> 00:38:57,599
back to Pennsylvania with his father

897
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:01,460
um that seems very strange to me because

898
00:39:06,650 --> 00:39:04,619
if let's let's play Devil's Advocate if

899
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:06,660
he's not the murderer the police are

900
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:07,980
putting out all kinds of bulletins

901
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,859
looking for that vehicle apparently he

902
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,380
does not respond and say hey I have that

903
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:14,880
vehicle but I wasn't involved or

904
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,400
anything like that instead his father

905
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,380
flies in from Pennsylvania to Washington

906
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,660
and they decide to drive that vehicle

907
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,300
that the police are looking for back to

908
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,220
Pennsylvania

909
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,160
have you seen the traffic stop footage

910
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:31,920
yes I have yes okay so what happened

911
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:34,440
during finals week is that there was uh

912
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:36,900
probably close to where he lives uh

913
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:40,800
there was a SWOT related incident

914
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:43,619
um in Pullman and he mentioned that

915
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,339
incident in the traffic uh stop uh

916
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,619
footage in Pennsylvania there's like oh

917
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,119
where are you coming from I'm coming I'm

918
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:53,880
from WSU why are you here I live here

919
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,540
other was uh there was a a SWOT related

920
00:40:01,010 --> 00:40:00,060
incident in Pullman I'm driving back

921
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,020
home

922
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:03,780
right and he could use that as a defense

923
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:06,780
and for those unaware apparently this

924
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,099
man was under surveillance and the FBI

925
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:12,960
or the authorities

926
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:15,960
got him pulled over on purpose because

927
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:18,780
they wanted the people so in other words

928
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:21,180
him getting pulled over for minor

929
00:40:26,030 --> 00:40:24,119
traffic violations was a ruse they

930
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,040
wanted the body cam footage and to see

931
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:27,359
his hands

932
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,820
and he was just being surveilled and

933
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,040
followed all the way back to

934
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,839
Pennsylvania because he was already a

935
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:38,940
suspect but he wasn't aware of that he

936
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:41,160
thought he's getting pulled over for a

937
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,140
minor traffic violation like failure to

938
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:45,720
Signal before changing lanes and things

939
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,420
like this twice he was pulled over and

940
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,359
twice they were sort of looking at him

941
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,339
and focusing on

942
00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:55,920
I suppose his hands I've heard to see if

943
00:41:02,990 --> 00:40:59,339
he had you know some sort of defensive

944
00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:03,000
wounds or scratches on his hands but

945
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:05,339
interesting that the police he he had to

946
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,660
know that the police were looking for

947
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:08,520
his car right that was all over the

948
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:09,900
local media

949
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,859
and instead of volunteering uh hey I

950
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,359
have that kind of a car but I wasn't

951
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,300
involved or whatever he decides to drive

952
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,280
the vehicle back to Pennsylvania perhaps

953
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:23,339
in an effort to get rid of the car right

954
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:25,859
yes but how many white how many Hawaii

955
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:27,960
Hyundai's are there in the local area

956
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,740
right and then if if if if if they got a

957
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:33,660
list of all those and then they got the

958
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,300
match with their credit cards right the

959
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,160
FBI could just be like oh well this

960
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:39,599
credit card that belongs to this white

961
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:42,060
car is driving somewhere else we should

962
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:43,380
check this out

963
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:46,140
oh yeah right they they like I said you

964
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,839
it's those days where you know they only

965
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,940
had fingerprints to go off of are pretty

966
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:52,619
much over

967
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,640
um they have data analysts now they have

968
00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:57,780
all sorts of information credit card

969
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,180
yeah everywhere you go you're tracked

970
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:01,680
with a credit card if you use a credit

971
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:04,140
card they know you've been in a store

972
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:06,900
the stores have surveillance we see that

973
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:10,200
very very often now like you know uh

974
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,660
especially in crime cases like oh uh

975
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:14,940
this this person went into Walmart an

976
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:16,380
hour before they were murdered or

977
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,300
whatever and here's the footage you know

978
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,640
and we get all that so if we're getting

979
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,040
all that as the public for sure the

980
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,560
police are getting all that as well

981
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,240
um and and I wanted to talk for a minute

982
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:29,760
about other suspicious things like

983
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,119
apparently uh co-worker was removing

984
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:35,820
trash from his parents home and putting

985
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:39,720
it in the neighbors uh the neighbors

986
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,839
trash and just so people are aware uh

987
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,700
I'm very familiar with the Pocono

988
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,220
Mountains and all the towns your

989
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,440
neighbor is not right next to you in

990
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:50,640
most cases

991
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,540
so you have to walk a little bit if I

992
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,000
wanted to put my trash where my place is

993
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:58,800
and my neighbors

994
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,319
trash can it would be a little bit of a

995
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,180
walk you know you're not just going

996
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:05,520
outside in like in a city and there's

997
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,740
trash cans right next to yours that are

998
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,900
your neighbors then apparently he was

999
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,119
wearing gloves

1000
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:15,420
so he was observed taking trash from his

1001
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,079
parents home and with gloves on and

1002
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,599
taking it and putting it in to his

1003
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,240
neighbor's trash cans so do you think

1004
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,700
that was maybe maybe he he was

1005
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,560
suspicious that they may be on to him

1006
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,440
and trying to get his or his

1007
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:34,020
you know DNA and and that's why that was

1008
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:35,099
done

1009
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,680
well

1010
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:40,319
it I I don't I don't know I do know that

1011
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,220
the search on his apartment yielded uh

1012
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,680
not so much

1013
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,240
um that the authorities said they were

1014
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,940
rather discontent with what they were

1015
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,579
able to find in his apartment so he

1016
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,220
could have gotten a lot of the evidence

1017
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:58,800
and taken it to PA to dispose of it

1018
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,640
potentially they only found the raid on

1019
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,140
his apartment only found a Walmart

1020
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,900
receipt two Marshalls receipts which is

1021
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:09,359
you know it's a town here he right in

1022
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:13,079
not in Pullman uh dust container from a

1023
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:14,760
vacuum

1024
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:19,740
uh multiple hair strands and possible uh

1025
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,880
animal hair strands two cutting two

1026
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:26,160
cuttings from an uncased pillow with

1027
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,160
reddish brown stains two top and bottom

1028
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,200
mattress covers with stains

1029
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:33,960
items with a dark red spots a computer

1030
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:37,319
tower and a Fire TV stick that's all

1031
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:39,000
yeah that's all they had in his

1032
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,640
apartment yeah yeah that's strange

1033
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:44,819
that's very very strange and it is uh

1034
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,500
you know this guy still uh essentially

1035
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:50,880
let's talk for a moment have you heard

1036
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:53,640
that he has like four defense attorneys

1037
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,660
all of a sudden

1038
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:56,400
yes and there's a major conflict of

1039
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:58,140
interest with one of them actually yeah

1040
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,940
let's talk about that because this is

1041
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,700
crazy one of them has one of his lawyers

1042
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:05,099
has a connection to the victim or

1043
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,220
victims families right

1044
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,800
yes yes there was uh one of the victims

1045
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:13,040
uh

1046
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,740
one of the victims mothers had a felony

1047
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:18,420
arrest warrant for her arrest in

1048
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,800
Kootenai County which is in Coeur

1049
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,960
d'Alene at Quarter Lane north of here

1050
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,099
right

1051
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,859
um uh she had a felony arrest warrant

1052
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:29,520
and what uh her attorney

1053
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,619
dropped her case to go and represent him

1054
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,260
yeah that's a big problem

1055
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,819
so

1056
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:41,940
one of his one of this murder suspects

1057
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:44,579
attorneys was representing the mother of

1058
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:47,579
one of the victims and he drops the case

1059
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:50,579
to go and uh

1060
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,460
to go and represent him he's a public

1061
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:55,800
defender public defender dropped her

1062
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,640
case

1063
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,200
right

1064
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:00,660
um and that's I highly like not ethical

1065
00:46:06,829 --> 00:46:04,200
right you can't that's a problem yeah I

1066
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,839
would assume that's a big problem right

1067
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:09,060
yeah absolutely

1068
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:11,060
um

1069
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:14,520
yeah and you had you had uh me you had

1070
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:17,940
sent me a video too of uh of driving by

1071
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,240
right I think yes yes

1072
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,000
let me see if I can't find that here

1073
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:26,220
they don't have police at the at the

1074
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:28,440
place I think it's private security that

1075
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:30,119
keeps an eye on the property right now

1076
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,480
but it's all taped off so you it's you

1077
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,000
can't really so we've got it

1078
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:38,700
with thanks to Aaron we have exclusive

1079
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:41,940
footage right right at the uh at the

1080
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:45,060
murder scene uh that no one's ever seen

1081
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:46,740
before

1082
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:48,300
well there was other there was a there

1083
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,420
was better footage that I sent in even

1084
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,800
taped off

1085
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,660
all right so this is behind the crap

1086
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,880
right there I went back the I went back

1087
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,640
that same afternoon

1088
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,980
oh I'm sorry so there's other did you

1089
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:04,260
send me other Clips yes I did it's I

1090
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,540
sent it to True Seeker show uh oh email

1091
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,280
okay all right well let's look at this

1092
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:13,309
that's the door that's the house right

1093
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:18,829
yeah as you can see they've collected

1094
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:25,010
yeah and interesting you said that they

1095
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,220
uh

1096
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,380
the neighbors all have signs on their

1097
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:30,900
doors no comment because at least one

1098
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,900
year at least the media's got to be

1099
00:47:37,809 --> 00:47:35,760
handling all the neighbors right because

1100
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,819
this is such a big story

1101
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:40,260
there was actually I did want to bring

1102
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,079
up the one of the neighbors it's on the

1103
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,839
police log and discussed on the on a

1104
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:47,760
local Facebook group where there was

1105
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,579
five people that dressed up pretending

1106
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,560
to be police officers I went and knocked

1107
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,839
on the neighbor's door in the middle of

1108
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,640
the night and were asking questions

1109
00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:58,740
regarding the case

1110
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,839
they were they were impersonating I mean

1111
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,700
that people are there's a lot of crazy

1112
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,560
stuff that people are doing as oh we can

1113
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,599
get into where there was five people

1114
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,400
that were impersonating a peace officer

1115
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:09,599
that went on knocked on the neighbor's

1116
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:10,619
door in the middle of the night asking

1117
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,060
about the case

1118
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,119
that's crazy that's absolutely crazy but

1119
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:18,000
you know when you consider them there's

1120
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,579
everybody's I'm sure got a financial

1121
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,520
motive for an exclusive Story related to

1122
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,200
this case it could be worth quite a lot

1123
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:27,839
of money so I guess you know some of the

1124
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:30,599
Slime balls are coming out and also we

1125
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:32,280
could talk for a moment about that there

1126
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,599
is uh a lot of opportunistic people that

1127
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,359
are doing things like one person on

1128
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:41,160
YouTube somehow connected this Brian

1129
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,040
coburger to like five other murders

1130
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,680
and his only evidence is nonsense like

1131
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,540
well there were stabbing murders so it

1132
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:51,359
had to be Brian like this this is this

1133
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:54,660
is garbage and this guy got like a half

1134
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:56,940
a million views and started a whole

1135
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,460
YouTube channel continually connecting

1136
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:01,520
this suspect to all these other murders

1137
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:04,500
trying to make him into some kind of uh

1138
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,660
you know Monster serial killer that

1139
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,119
killed 20 people before this and there's

1140
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:11,940
just little or no evidence of of this of

1141
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:14,760
these connections another one that I

1142
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,440
heard of is that well two of the victims

1143
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,000
were employees at a restaurant downtown

1144
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:20,880
called The Mad Greek and this restaurant

1145
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:24,480
sells uh vegan uh meals yeah that's the

1146
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,339
same same person that's connecting all

1147
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,040
these things yeah but the the owner the

1148
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,200
owner of the of of the restaurant says

1149
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,119
that's not true that he's never been

1150
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:35,040
associated with that restaurant at all

1151
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:36,180
so

1152
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:38,040
um a lot of people are showing their

1153
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,460
their uh their crazy side I think a

1154
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:43,500
professor at the University of Idaho had

1155
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,480
to engage in a slander a lawsuit against

1156
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:48,720
other content creators online for uh

1157
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,280
being told that they had something to do

1158
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:52,079
with it as well like there was content

1159
00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,819
creators going around saying well this

1160
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,260
professor had something to do with it so

1161
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:56,880
now there's a slander lots of going on

1162
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:00,599
with that and uh yeah the hotels here

1163
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,920
are getting packed for the June hearings

1164
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,440
um here people are gonna start showing

1165
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:10,319
up uh or reserving to come here and and

1166
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:12,359
see what happens

1167
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,980
um but yeah a lot of people do crazy

1168
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:15,720
things like especially I feel bad for

1169
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,119
the Neighbors you shouldn't have to have

1170
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,980
people impersonating police officers

1171
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:21,420
show up at your front door asking

1172
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,160
questions about the case

1173
00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,680
yeah well you could imagine there's I

1174
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:27,540
can imagine there's quite a media frenzy

1175
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,599
there because it seems to be that every

1176
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:32,880
media Outlet wants some kind of a story

1177
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,020
about this this situation do we know um

1178
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,960
when any sort of trial is going to be

1179
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,700
taking place this is going to be a while

1180
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:43,680
right mid-june

1181
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:46,980
every wow mid-june so right now he's

1182
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,339
sitting in jail down the street but he's

1183
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:52,740
just gonna sit there eating vegan food

1184
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:56,040
for as long as until June oh that's

1185
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,900
right that you you have the right I

1186
00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:59,579
guess as a prisoner they have to give

1187
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,040
you vegan food if you request it

1188
00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:04,680
oh yeah

1189
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:08,339
interesting and so not until June well

1190
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,339
we know more and it's interesting that

1191
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,800
you mentioned there's a gag order so no

1192
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:15,720
nobody involved with the case is allowed

1193
00:51:20,510 --> 00:51:18,300
to say anything so these things that are

1194
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,520
coming out a lot of which there's a lot

1195
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,500
of things that are basically just leaks

1196
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:24,540
right which are in some cases

1197
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:27,059
unconfirmed we should stress that you

1198
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:27,839
know

1199
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:31,980
for a fact because they were in the

1200
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:34,260
probable cause affidavit

1201
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:41,150
right so

1202
00:51:48,170 --> 00:51:45,660
I mean I I don't know I don't know

1203
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,180
what it seems to me that there's a lot

1204
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,940
of disinformation or misinformation and

1205
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,040
I want to be very clear that some of the

1206
00:51:57,049 --> 00:51:54,720
things that we're talking about of

1207
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:57,059
course is speculation some things did

1208
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,920
come from the probable cause affidavit

1209
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,480
that we could be sure of

1210
00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:02,819
let's talk for a minute about the DNA

1211
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:04,700
matching because that was interesting

1212
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:08,700
apparently they took trash from the

1213
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,240
father's uh trash and they matched it to

1214
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:14,640
the the knife sheath

1215
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:16,619
but then do we know that they later

1216
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,160
matched it to actually to Brian the DNA

1217
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,800
from the knife sheath well his his

1218
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:24,660
neighbor

1219
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:28,619
claims that uh the suspect had told him

1220
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:30,300
that he had submitted his DNA in the

1221
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:37,430
if that's accurate

1222
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:42,059
um right but I've heard of other cases

1223
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:43,740
as well where even if you didn't submit

1224
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,740
your DNA right if your sibling submitted

1225
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:49,500
your DNA and you're like the only uh

1226
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,000
brother that they have you're the only

1227
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,579
one with a Y chromosome so right it must

1228
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:54,960
like oh well it's a sibling of this

1229
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:57,720
person right sure it's like they only

1230
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:00,180
have one male like you know yeah and for

1231
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:01,800
those unaware we're talking about these

1232
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,200
genealogical databases like when people

1233
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,619
go to 23 and me and these other things

1234
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:09,420
to get their DNA

1235
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:12,660
uh analyzed for to find out you know

1236
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,319
like uh what their ethic makeup is uh

1237
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:18,540
those things get put in that database

1238
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:20,940
and those databases those companies will

1239
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,200
will

1240
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:24,599
uh cooperate with authorities that's how

1241
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:26,700
they solve the Golden State murder case

1242
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:29,160
they got a familial match and then they

1243
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:32,420
worked back from there so in this case

1244
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,460
apparently they matched the DNA on the

1245
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:37,680
knife sheet first to this Brian

1246
00:53:43,069 --> 00:53:40,680
coburger's father and then to him

1247
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:43,079
which is interesting and they could get

1248
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,940
that DNA from your trash too people

1249
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,800
don't realize it but if you drink a soda

1250
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,020
and throw it in the trash your DNA is on

1251
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:50,640
that rim of that can

1252
00:53:56,569 --> 00:53:54,059
or or whatever you know

1253
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:56,579
what what would really

1254
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:58,680
um I think be enough for a conviction

1255
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:01,559
for this guy is that if there is pet

1256
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:03,660
hair that got on him and then that pet

1257
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,240
hair was later found at his apartment

1258
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:08,760
that would be that's you there's no

1259
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,859
that's beyond A Reasonable Doubt right

1260
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,680
like I know that there was regularly

1261
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,540
parties at that house with over a

1262
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:17,040
hundred people in them

1263
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,839
so I mean that's about the only thing

1264
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:20,160
that the defense could say is that oh

1265
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,220
well he went to a party at that house

1266
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,020
before he did this and then he got to

1267
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,400
pet her and then it ended up at his

1268
00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:28,740
apartment but if if that gets blown out

1269
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:30,599
of the water how did the pet her end up

1270
00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:35,210
um

1271
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,559
yeah and also we should mention that

1272
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,559
this is got to be it had to be a

1273
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:43,020
problematic crime scene right because

1274
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,059
this is basically I remember college

1275
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,400
party houses like there's people in and

1276
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,380
out of these college party houses every

1277
00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,079
day it's not like a mule or an animal I

1278
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:54,059
saw him yeah one time I was at a college

1279
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:57,300
party I think it was somewhere and uh

1280
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,640
that there was a somebody had a donkey

1281
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,380
they're just a donkey walking through

1282
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:03,599
this party house and and everybody was

1283
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:05,940
drunk and laughing and somebody tried to

1284
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:09,599
ride the donkey and it was weird yeah so

1285
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:12,839
problematic crime scene because you got

1286
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,540
50 people coming in and out of there so

1287
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,520
when you find a hair you don't know if

1288
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:20,880
it's the murderers the victims or one of

1289
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,440
the 50 people that have been in and out

1290
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:24,780
of there recently you know

1291
00:55:29,930 --> 00:55:27,900
but I think also we should talk about

1292
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:29,940
the police because for a while the

1293
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:32,339
police were under intense pressure and

1294
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,480
people were saying they weren't doing

1295
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,180
enough they weren't communicating and

1296
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,980
even one of the victim's fathers was

1297
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:39,540
very upset with them but he later

1298
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,300
apologized because it appears that they

1299
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:45,359
got onto this Brian coburger right away

1300
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:47,339
but they were staying silent about it

1301
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:48,540
right

1302
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,440
well there was on YouTube there's a

1303
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:55,619
retired New York City detective who

1304
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,520
criticized the Moscow PD for failing to

1305
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,680
do proper searches there was no grid

1306
00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:03,300
search or I think one of there was no

1307
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:07,339
greater spiral search done and they they

1308
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:11,220
mishandled a lot of or they didn't do it

1309
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,540
well I mean like I said this stuff

1310
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,160
doesn't really happen here right like

1311
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:16,260
the staff probably does everybody was

1312
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:17,640
probably surprised of what happened

1313
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:20,460
nobody yeah I mean in their defense this

1314
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:22,440
is some little Podunk town no offense

1315
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,119
Aaron I know you live there but just

1316
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:27,119
beautiful place but yeah but it's just

1317
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:29,160
some little Podunk town they don't have

1318
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:31,380
quadruple homicides all the time like

1319
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,680
New York City does or whatever so that

1320
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,440
maybe they didn't even you know have a

1321
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:39,599
procedure in place for what to do here

1322
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,980
they're flying by the seat of their

1323
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:42,720
pants but to their credit

1324
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,059
I'm aware that they instantly brought in

1325
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,180
experts from the FBI experts from other

1326
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:49,520
jurisdictions

1327
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:53,640
uh right away and that may have led to

1328
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:57,540
why you know it's very probable that if

1329
00:57:01,609 --> 00:57:00,300
they didn't do their job well this

1330
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:01,619
person would have got away with this

1331
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,160
right there was one thing like I think

1332
00:57:11,569 --> 00:57:08,880
for me it just I think they his biggest

1333
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:11,579
like what happened is that he

1334
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:14,700
he he used his car so close to what he

1335
00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:18,300
did so where he did the crime allegedly

1336
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:20,660
you know the car was really close by

1337
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:22,980
there was a way that he could have done

1338
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,099
this and not had his car so close by how

1339
00:57:30,349 --> 00:57:28,079
do you park his car at the local

1340
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:30,359
Arboretum parking lot

1341
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,700
he could have right

1342
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:35,040
but yeah walked from his car did the

1343
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,780
murder walk back to his car and then

1344
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,760
they wouldn't have cracked his car

1345
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,520
there's no surveillance on on the way he

1346
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:43,920
the auditorium is right next to where

1347
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,800
the the crime happened had he you know

1348
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:48,720
like allegedly if he's the one that did

1349
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,020
it not put your car so close to what he

1350
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:53,760
did and instead put it some distance

1351
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:55,260
away and know that you're not going to

1352
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,000
be monitored on the through the

1353
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,280
Arboretum that there they would have

1354
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:00,960
made it a lot more difficult for law

1355
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:03,000
enforcement to get a suspect but that's

1356
00:58:06,890 --> 00:58:04,680
not what happened along with other

1357
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:06,900
mistakes that you've claimed that he

1358
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:09,180
made like the the sheath with the DNA

1359
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,800
and it's very surprising for somebody

1360
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,960
with such an education to have right

1361
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,579
yeah and there may be boot prints

1362
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:17,280
outside as well in the snow that they

1363
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,520
made casts of so but I didn't see

1364
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,380
anything in the probable cause affidavit

1365
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,960
about the boots or the boot prints that

1366
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,640
may also have been just a police

1367
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,319
officer's boot print because apparently

1368
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:30,480
it's a very common boot like a military

1369
00:58:37,130 --> 00:58:34,680
style boot and also I noticed from his

1370
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:37,140
social media that he was following a lot

1371
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:37,980
of

1372
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,319
I guess what I'm familiar with or what I

1373
00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:43,200
would call tactical gear companies in

1374
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:45,720
other words companies that sell military

1375
00:58:53,089 --> 00:58:50,880
clothing knives body armor things of

1376
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:53,099
that nature and

1377
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,720
um interesting that he was following

1378
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:56,819
those kind and also on his social media

1379
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,660
with some very disturbing posts uh like

1380
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:03,599
you know uh somebody murdering people

1381
00:59:09,549 --> 00:59:05,940
and uh things like that pools of blood

1382
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:09,559
being cleaned up so this guy was really

1383
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,020
described as kind of a weird guy I guess

1384
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,599
by his social media and also apparently

1385
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,480
he had many fake or let's call them

1386
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,299
Anonymous social media accounts

1387
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:23,520
which is a little strange to me why he

1388
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,559
would have so many

1389
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,960
you know it would seem to me like if

1390
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,460
you're trying to conceal what you're

1391
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:31,920
looking at or doing online you wouldn't

1392
00:59:35,809 --> 00:59:33,660
do it with your real name you would do

1393
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,819
it with a what I guess you would

1394
00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:37,920
commonly call a soccer camp right like

1395
00:59:43,069 --> 00:59:40,980
or an alias or an alias or something

1396
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:43,079
like that so apparently he was following

1397
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,480
a lot of weird sick stuff

1398
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,640
on these alt accounts but the police

1399
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:49,680
were able to and that's another

1400
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,940
interesting part I don't know if you've

1401
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,440
heard but a lot of his social media

1402
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:54,480
accounts disappeared shortly after his

1403
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:55,559
arrests

1404
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:57,900
that were wiped

1405
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:00,660
yeah that's weird that's weird um I I

1406
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:04,920
was not aware of that uh but yeah and

1407
01:00:09,049 --> 01:00:07,799
again so well here here's like what I

1408
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:09,059
would want to know is a go through

1409
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:12,720
social media uh history and see if

1410
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,900
there's any uh indicator of uh being an

1411
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,780
incel or being somebody who has trouble

1412
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:20,880
because that would have been like if he

1413
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,339
did snap and he hadn't like if he hadn't

1414
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,720
done this in the past and he actually

1415
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,359
went ahead and snapped and and did this

1416
01:00:33,710 --> 01:00:29,599
all at once right

1417
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:33,720
the incel angle to this would have right

1418
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,720
and so people I don't think they're

1419
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:38,880
they're not the like the kind of people

1420
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:40,680
to go out and like do this 20 times

1421
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:42,059
before they

1422
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,040
right it just doesn't

1423
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:46,380
they normally snap and do it once yeah

1424
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:50,940
you're right right so what if if is

1425
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,579
there go through with social media and

1426
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,099
see if there's any hints of this uh well

1427
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,520
actually there was he did that there

1428
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:01,440
allegedly he did display that behavior

1429
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,589
as well allegedly uh yeah at a local bar

1430
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:12,720
it has said that he was on sort of their

1431
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:15,240
troubled customer list because he was

1432
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:18,720
nasty and rude to the female staff there

1433
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:21,780
uh and also kind of this guy also

1434
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:23,819
bragged that he could he could bang any

1435
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:25,740
woman that he wanted or something like

1436
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,260
that which is an odd thing for a guy

1437
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,420
that has trouble with women to be

1438
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:32,880
running around boasting

1439
01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:34,980
um I don't know but to most people

1440
01:01:40,809 --> 01:01:37,079
including former students of him he was

1441
01:01:43,329 --> 01:01:40,819
described as arrogant but but very high

1442
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:43,339
intellects like he was very intelligent

1443
01:01:50,329 --> 01:01:47,940
but he was arrogant and uh sort of uh

1444
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:50,339
just off people said he was a little

1445
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:52,619
strange he was a little off which I

1446
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:54,119
guess would fit the profile of somebody

1447
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:55,980
who would suddenly snap and kill four

1448
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:59,220
people right right which is I don't

1449
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,619
think I don't think that it's it's

1450
01:02:06,410 --> 01:02:03,660
possible he didn't go around doing this

1451
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,420
beforehand I I if he wasn't an in so if

1452
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:08,160
he does have that Dynamic going on and

1453
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,660
because I don't I don't think that there

1454
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:11,099
is such thing as an insult I think it's

1455
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:12,780
a I think it's a matter of low

1456
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:15,839
self-esteem or or or or or whatever but

1457
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:19,140
uh if if he did snap

1458
01:02:23,630 --> 01:02:21,660
um in yeah I

1459
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:23,640
well yeah and just so people are aware

1460
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,700
there there are forums and websites for

1461
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:29,160
these guys that they get together and

1462
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:31,319
essentially they blame women for all

1463
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:34,440
their problems right they

1464
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,140
they claim to be involuntary celibate

1465
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:39,960
they want to be with a woman especially

1466
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:42,720
attractive women they they tend to make

1467
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,660
those attractive women the enemy and the

1468
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:47,460
cause of all their problems it's their

1469
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,260
fault that they're not in a relationship

1470
01:02:53,569 --> 01:02:51,359
these women are the problem

1471
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,579
and these guys get together and there

1472
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,140
have been cases of this before where

1473
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,000
guys on these forums that get together

1474
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:58,799
they're they're hateful towards women

1475
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:00,359
they're blaming women for all their

1476
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,700
problems they get together

1477
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:05,640
uh some of these guys snap and go kill a

1478
01:03:09,549 --> 01:03:07,559
woman or women

1479
01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,559
because of their frustrations somehow

1480
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,119
blaming the women for their for their

1481
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:15,119
lack of success with women it doesn't I

1482
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,740
I don't know to me it doesn't make sense

1483
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:18,900
well he claims a psychological condition

1484
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:21,359
where he has it's like it's called I

1485
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,339
think he calls it like supposedly if it

1486
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:24,960
was him on those forums calling it like

1487
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,220
a whiteout or something where he right

1488
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,160
um well like I like

1489
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:35,520
he's not like an ugly guy right like he

1490
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,640
there must be something like wrong with

1491
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,160
him as far as like socializing with like

1492
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,680
women if he wasn't in Seoul because I

1493
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,880
mean like I said I don't really think

1494
01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:46,260
that there is such thing as like an

1495
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:49,140
insult it's like somebody who doesn't

1496
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,240
want to uh

1497
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:53,640
who has problems like maybe relating to

1498
01:03:59,390 --> 01:03:56,339
people or or something else that like

1499
01:04:01,849 --> 01:03:59,400
yeah and also some guys just some guys

1500
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:01,859
just don't I don't know some guys I've

1501
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:03,540
known guys that were just like a little

1502
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,660
bit off like they they you know they

1503
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:08,700
were guys that were I I've known guys

1504
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,400
that were like you know just incredibly

1505
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:13,680
not successful live at home with Mom and

1506
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:16,440
Dad kind of losers and then they would

1507
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:19,319
get upset because they asked out some 10

1508
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,200
super hot girl who said not interested

1509
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:24,000
you know what I mean like there's some

1510
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:25,619
sort of Disconnect with some of these

1511
01:04:30,829 --> 01:04:28,559
guys like a social disconnect yeah right

1512
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:30,839
like just socially awkward and

1513
01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:33,420
disconnected from from reality you know

1514
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:35,160
you got to know what's within your realm

1515
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,420
of possibility right right right like

1516
01:04:42,829 --> 01:04:41,220
um yeah yeah somebody out of your league

1517
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,839
you got to be they're they're you got to

1518
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:45,119
be like realistic about about certain

1519
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,119
things in life this is just a weird

1520
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:50,160
phenomenon and there are people who have

1521
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:53,220
trouble like seeing that as like those

1522
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,559
social dynamics that play out right yeah

1523
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:57,359
and I mean I don't know me I've seen

1524
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,480
guys who blame the women you know like I

1525
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:02,339
remember one time I was somewhere and

1526
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:05,579
this guy uh in a bar somewhere and he

1527
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:07,020
was talking about this woman across the

1528
01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:09,240
bar like oh my God this woman's so

1529
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,859
beautiful I want to marry her look at

1530
01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,960
her she's perfect and then he goes over

1531
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:14,579
and talks to her and she blows him off

1532
01:05:19,609 --> 01:05:16,859
and he comes back to us and we go what

1533
01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:19,619
happened and he says she's a dyke you

1534
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,980
know like just blame the woman it's her

1535
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:25,079
fault that she's not interested and this

1536
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:27,420
is a weird societal thing this in self

1537
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,819
thing is is a recent phenomenon in the

1538
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,440
last you know I don't know 10 or 20

1539
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,119
years this popped up

1540
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,520
and but it is kind of crazy that there's

1541
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:37,559
forums where guys get together just to

1542
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,200
hate on women it's you know you know

1543
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:41,760
it's you know what's crazier

1544
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,819
allegedly now that uh all this is

1545
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,160
getting out

1546
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:49,200
allegedly he's in jail right now and

1547
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,540
he's getting Love Letters From dozens of

1548
01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:53,280
people

1549
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:55,559
the yeah that's a strange phenomenon

1550
01:06:01,549 --> 01:05:58,980
soda Ted Bundy so did many serial

1551
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:01,559
killers got fan lighters from attractive

1552
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:03,720
females that wanted to start a

1553
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,720
relationship with them Ted Bundy and all

1554
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,880
these other serial killers it's so weird

1555
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:10,859
that's a weird thing

1556
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,680
like this guy yeah he's a suspect and

1557
01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:16,079
and you're gonna send him letters and

1558
01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:18,599
all this stuff it's it's I think Manson

1559
01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:20,339
as well right Manson

1560
01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:22,460
where he I think he uh he had a child

1561
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:25,079
we'll take some comments and questions I

1562
01:06:29,630 --> 01:06:27,240
heard this as well Melinda says he was

1563
01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:29,640
messaging one of the victims repeatedly

1564
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,579
and she didn't respond to him

1565
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,280
so that could be again some kind of

1566
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:37,440
spurned attempt at uh starting a

1567
01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:39,180
relationship with one of them that could

1568
01:06:43,370 --> 01:06:40,020
be

1569
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:43,380
I mean I can't think of other other

1570
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:46,680
motives for him the insult Theory seems

1571
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,380
to fit the best from what I've heard

1572
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:51,420
from you know now we have some of his

1573
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:54,960
former friends even a former a girl that

1574
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,500
he dated one time I heard like literally

1575
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,780
everybody that ever knew this guy is

1576
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,359
doing interviews now and most say that

1577
01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:06,240
he was very socially awkward arrogant

1578
01:07:11,870 --> 01:07:10,859
and uh had problems with women he was on

1579
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:11,880
um

1580
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:14,520
in a local bar he was on a troubled list

1581
01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:16,260
like this guy's a troubled Customer

1582
01:07:20,029 --> 01:07:18,900
because he was rude and nasty to the

1583
01:07:22,970 --> 01:07:20,039
female staff

1584
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,980
or aggressive with them so he gets put

1585
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,140
on a trouble list people are saying that

1586
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:28,799
he's uh arrogant and uh socially awkward

1587
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,440
has problems with women

1588
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:34,079
um narcissism perhaps even right some

1589
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:36,420
sort of uh racism but at the same time

1590
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,780
some sort of uh social uh social like

1591
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:41,520
and I don't want to say ineptitude I

1592
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,720
don't think that's the correct word but

1593
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:44,940
having trouble with relationships with

1594
01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:46,859
people and also having narcissistic

1595
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:49,980
Tendencies at the same time uh possible

1596
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,099
so possible

1597
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:55,680
yeah this this is interesting some

1598
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:57,539
people think he wanted to be caught or

1599
01:08:04,250 --> 01:08:00,960
at least accepted it he had to know as a

1600
01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:04,260
criminology PhD student you know he had

1601
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:06,359
to know how difficult it is to get away

1602
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,000
with something like this he had to know

1603
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:11,880
you know you're always you're always

1604
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:13,319
going to make a mistake I think a

1605
01:08:18,650 --> 01:08:15,420
mistake for him was that knife sheath

1606
01:08:21,169 --> 01:08:18,660
because even wearing gloves whatever you

1607
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,179
might get a skin cell or something on

1608
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:24,000
that knife sheath uh could this could

1609
01:08:27,410 --> 01:08:25,620
this be a thing like where he wanted to

1610
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:27,420
get caught to feed his narcissism if he

1611
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:29,580
is a narcissistic person possibly yeah

1612
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,380
well apparently he was fascinated with

1613
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,319
Killers like BTK and the Green River

1614
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:37,199
Killer and others for all we know he was

1615
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:39,000
a big fan of

1616
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:41,460
serial killers and plan to be one and

1617
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,540
this was his first attempt at it but I

1618
01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:48,719
still find it uh I still find it odd if

1619
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:51,299
this was his first murder that he killed

1620
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:53,580
four people at once that's a hell of a

1621
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:56,100
hell of any you would have to be this

1622
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:59,819
guy has to be arrogant to think that he

1623
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,739
he's going to kill four people and

1624
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:03,600
somehow get away with it perhaps through

1625
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:07,380
his knowledge of criminology and uh you

1626
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:09,239
know we've got statements from the the

1627
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:11,100
lawyers which basically said he's

1628
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,500
anxious to get back to Idaho and prove

1629
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:15,120
his innocence so he waived his

1630
01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:18,900
extradition hearing which I I don't know

1631
01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:21,719
what we can take from that but

1632
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:23,219
extradition hearing is kind of a

1633
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,900
formality they were going to extradite

1634
01:09:29,870 --> 01:09:27,120
him so maybe he just chose to get it

1635
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,880
over with and just agree to go back but

1636
01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:31,440
through his lawyer he said he was

1637
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:34,199
anxious to get back to Idaho and prove

1638
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:35,940
his innocence and that he was shocked at

1639
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,140
his arrest

1640
01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:39,359
so he's got to have some kind of the

1641
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:43,739
defense plan here right could he might

1642
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:46,380
well honestly I sent you I sent you an

1643
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:49,560
image where he did not answer whether he

1644
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:51,960
was coerced or not

1645
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,940
um in in whatever statements that he

1646
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,980
made so maybe that might be part of his

1647
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:57,840
defense to say that he was coerced into

1648
01:10:02,030 --> 01:10:00,060
doing this and say that he acted alone

1649
01:10:03,770 --> 01:10:02,040
or that he didn't act alone or that he

1650
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:03,780
may have been an accessory to it under

1651
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:05,940
yeah that's another interesting point

1652
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,160
when he was arrested he asked the police

1653
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:10,920
if they arrested anyone else

1654
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:13,260
now that may be him trying to throw off

1655
01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:14,460
the police

1656
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:17,100
but it's very possible that he didn't

1657
01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:20,219
act alone because four people murdering

1658
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:22,679
four people maybe he had maybe two guys

1659
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:25,140
went in and he was one of them we don't

1660
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:28,199
know yet but more will be coming out as

1661
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,840
the case progresses right

1662
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:31,760
yeah yeah

1663
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:33,500
Anthony Anthony

1664
01:10:39,470 --> 01:10:36,960
is a retired police officer so he has

1665
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:39,480
some insight and he says thank God they

1666
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:41,219
caught this guy he could have gone on a

1667
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:44,040
rampage yeah I mean it could have been a

1668
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,020
mass shooting next you know or or

1669
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,080
something if you imagine what he would

1670
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,600
do if he wasn't arrested he he would

1671
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,580
think I just got away with murdering

1672
01:10:57,410 --> 01:10:55,679
four people maybe next time I'll kill

1673
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:57,420
eight people or something this could

1674
01:11:02,450 --> 01:11:00,420
have gone a whole different way right

1675
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:02,460
well people were hesitant to come back

1676
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:05,640
to class or the for the new semester or

1677
01:11:11,330 --> 01:11:09,000
even yeah Brian coburger is the name of

1678
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,340
the suspect arrested and we want to

1679
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:14,400
stress of course for legal reasons that

1680
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,920
all parties discussed here are innocent

1681
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,199
until proven guilty in a court of law he

1682
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,600
has been arrested for the crime of

1683
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:24,239
multiple crimes of murder but he has not

1684
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,540
been convicted or found guilty yet and

1685
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:29,280
uh Aaron says the case should begin

1686
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:32,460
around June is that going to be boy do

1687
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,140
you think this case is good I think it's

1688
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,520
going to be a huge this is going to be

1689
01:11:40,850 --> 01:11:37,800
the biggest murder case televised murder

1690
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:40,860
case probably since O.J

1691
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:44,480
that's crazy for a small town like this

1692
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:47,880
uh that's uh yeah I'm sorry his words

1693
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,070
Ah that's that's very arrogant or

1694
01:12:04,250 --> 01:11:58,320
narcissistic of uh if if

1695
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:06,770
James Holt or James Holmes serial killer

1696
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:09,659
with a llama fetish that's weird Jimmy's

1697
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,120
llama is a key related blogger with a

1698
01:12:16,669 --> 01:12:14,400
crush on him just weird yeah

1699
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:16,679
uh

1700
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:19,260
yeah I I I'm wondering what's gonna

1701
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:21,199
happen next because

1702
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:24,239
also we should also be aware right Aaron

1703
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:26,040
that this probably all the information

1704
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,500
about the forensic evidence and the

1705
01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:30,719
evidence that they have against him

1706
01:12:36,649 --> 01:12:33,659
wasn't in that probable cause affidavit

1707
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,659
they've got a lot more I think they do

1708
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:38,820
they do but they're not going to release

1709
01:12:43,070 --> 01:12:40,500
it and they can't there's there's

1710
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:43,080
there's an order for no but no parties

1711
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:45,360
can say anything so for the moment what

1712
01:12:50,090 --> 01:12:48,540
we got is what we got right and yeah

1713
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,100
we're not going to get more information

1714
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:52,320
until the case Begins the case is

1715
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,120
actually going forward anything going

1716
01:12:58,970 --> 01:12:55,679
forward might be people trying to

1717
01:13:03,410 --> 01:12:58,980
mislead or have uh

1718
01:13:09,229 --> 01:13:05,810
yeah uh Blacklist that says people

1719
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,239
Revere serial killers it's quite sick

1720
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:12,480
yeah and and also you know for all we

1721
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:15,900
know that America's fascination with uh

1722
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,260
serial killers may be what caused this

1723
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:21,780
guy to do this uh you got to imagine

1724
01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:26,400
this guy being so narcissistic and

1725
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:29,219
um arrogant maybe thought he would get

1726
01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:32,280
away with it and be famous as a serial

1727
01:13:37,970 --> 01:13:35,100
killer like some of his if it's true

1728
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:37,980
that he was so interested in this BTK

1729
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,620
there's even some information BTK

1730
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,960
Killer's daughter said that he may have

1731
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:45,360
been in contact with her her father

1732
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,520
so he may be he may have been writing

1733
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:49,920
letters to serial killers in prison and

1734
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:52,920
talking to them and you know that might

1735
01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:55,800
I can imagine yeah I can imagine though

1736
01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:58,140
that if a if a serial killer sitting in

1737
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:00,120
prison bored and somebody writes him and

1738
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,860
says hey I'm a PhD student in

1739
01:14:05,689 --> 01:14:03,840
criminology I'm interested in your case

1740
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:05,699
they could strike up a relationship very

1741
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,260
quickly and easily

1742
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:10,320
you know right

1743
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,659
do you think if he wasn't if he is the

1744
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,880
murderer and he wasn't caught there

1745
01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:16,560
would have been more murders in your

1746
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,580
area

1747
01:14:22,669 --> 01:14:19,920
wow that's a good

1748
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,679
question

1749
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:24,480
um it's that

1750
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:26,219
if he's the one that did it and he

1751
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:27,420
wasn't caught

1752
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:29,100
there could have been more there could

1753
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:30,840
have been more because it's not it

1754
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,580
doesn't seem like the the type to just

1755
01:14:36,649 --> 01:14:34,800
go somewhere else right it almost seems

1756
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,659
like he wants to be caught

1757
01:14:40,189 --> 01:14:38,159
so maybe he could have kept doing until

1758
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,199
he got caught but we don't we don't know

1759
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:42,719
that um

1760
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:45,000
yeah that's pretty interesting

1761
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,500
well

1762
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,960
um did you do you recall ever seeing him

1763
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:51,060
around your campus though did he look

1764
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:53,420
familiar to you when you saw his arrest

1765
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:57,300
no because he's it's WSU I've never I've

1766
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:59,640
never attended WSU those are like two

1767
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:01,320
universities that are rival universities

1768
01:15:05,870 --> 01:15:04,140
right so WSU is like 15 minutes down the

1769
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:05,880
road it's a whole nother town with like

1770
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,699
30 000 people in it and this town is a

1771
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:10,080
little smaller than that and it's it's

1772
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:13,260
it's another University uh so yeah and

1773
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,420
Kalani is confirming what you said they

1774
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:17,760
didn't find much in his apartment or in

1775
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,420
his WSU office just some hairs and some

1776
01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:23,880
cold stained things like a pillow no

1777
01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:26,820
knife of any sort pocket kitchen EDC

1778
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:28,500
that he didn't even have kitchen knives

1779
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:31,380
in his apartment that's weird no shoes

1780
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,880
no clothes

1781
01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:35,040
wow that's interesting why would he have

1782
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,900
no shoes or no clothes in his apartment

1783
01:15:42,110 --> 01:15:39,060
most people have clothes and shoes where

1784
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:42,120
they live and no kitchen knife

1785
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:44,280
he got rid of the kitchen knives that's

1786
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:50,209
this that's very very strange very very

1787
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,679
strange and you know I think it's really

1788
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,440
eerie if if it is true

1789
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:58,260
if if we look at this from the lens of a

1790
01:16:04,669 --> 01:16:01,560
killer the the fact that he was teaching

1791
01:16:07,130 --> 01:16:04,679
classes in criminology where the

1792
01:16:08,030 --> 01:16:07,140
students were discussing the case of the

1793
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,040
murder

1794
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:10,560
even asking him what he thought about it

1795
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,460
right and he's the murderer and then

1796
01:16:19,490 --> 01:16:16,320
people are discussing these murders

1797
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:19,500
online on Reddit and other websites and

1798
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:22,739
he is allegedly going on to Reddit and

1799
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:24,540
correcting people

1800
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:26,760
you know about how the murders took

1801
01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:29,040
place and the details of who was killed

1802
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:30,120
first

1803
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,300
that's pretty arrogant and pretty Eerie

1804
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:35,400
right it's almost like you couldn't help

1805
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,260
himself if he's the one that did it and

1806
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,239
he's like well no no no I'm going to

1807
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:41,040
tell you how it happened right like

1808
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,080
can't help yeah

1809
01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,360
yeah and and uh Melinda's here and says

1810
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,219
he applied to be a researcher with the

1811
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:50,159
Moscow police that came out recently

1812
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,940
you know yeah that's

1813
01:16:58,669 --> 01:16:56,400
pretty crazy right well I wouldn't want

1814
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:58,679
him to be a cop Sandy Smith says I

1815
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,420
wonder if the victims were restrained in

1816
01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:02,400
any fashion it would have been very

1817
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:05,159
difficult to it not uh have at least one

1818
01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:06,900
escaping when his attention was

1819
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,140
elsewhere well apparently not that I'm

1820
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:13,440
aware of but that could be the case it

1821
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:15,540
appears that he took him out one at a

1822
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:17,820
time and they were sleeping and may have

1823
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:19,980
been all four of them may have been

1824
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:23,520
intoxicated in the morning yeah four in

1825
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:25,020
the morning after a long night of

1826
01:17:30,350 --> 01:17:27,540
drinking sort of passed out drunk in

1827
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:30,360
their beds and Along Comes this guy and

1828
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:33,659
apparently kills them one by one

1829
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:36,120
um but it is Eerie the other the other

1830
01:17:39,890 --> 01:17:38,100
Eerie thing is that

1831
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,900
the surviving

1832
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:42,000
um roommates on the first floor she

1833
01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,679
heard some things came out of her room a

1834
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:45,780
bunch of times and the last time she

1835
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:48,060
came out of her room she saw what she

1836
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:50,760
thought was a black figure with a mask

1837
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:54,659
on run by her door and or walked by her

1838
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:57,420
door I don't know if he saw her or not

1839
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:00,000
but she saw him and then he went out the

1840
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:02,280
sliding glass doors which is apparently

1841
01:18:06,770 --> 01:18:04,620
the way that he made entry to the home

1842
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,780
and then she locked her door and went

1843
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:08,640
back to bed and a lot she's getting a

1844
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:11,340
lot of heat from people the defense is

1845
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,500
going to use that a lot because it's

1846
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,080
like well you know why maybe she had

1847
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:17,760
something to do with it why did the why

1848
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,500
were the cops called until noon the next

1849
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,080
day yeah right so it is a little strange

1850
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:24,960
but you also have to remember that that

1851
01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:27,000
girl may have been intoxicated that girl

1852
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:29,699
may have been on drugs and just scared

1853
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,739
or maybe she thought it was sort of a

1854
01:18:35,149 --> 01:18:33,600
prank like I said if you've ever been to

1855
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:35,159
a college party house there's people

1856
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:37,380
coming in and out maybe wearing masks

1857
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,659
like I mentioned I was at a college

1858
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:41,520
party house once and suddenly there was

1859
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,739
a donkey walking through the house so

1860
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,320
strange things happen maybe she you know

1861
01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:49,199
in her defense maybe and I'm sure she's

1862
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,300
really broken up about this because yeah

1863
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:53,040
if she had called the police right away

1864
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:55,860
maybe some of the victims hadn't died

1865
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,300
yet and they could have got medical

1866
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,000
attention and survived so I'm sure that

1867
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,640
she's ridden with guilt over not calling

1868
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:04,560
sooner but she may have been attacked

1869
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:06,300
intoxicated she may have thought it was

1870
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:07,860
a prank there was parties there

1871
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:10,199
constantly maybe it's somebody coming in

1872
01:19:16,729 --> 01:19:13,800
or out maybe it's a maybe she thought

1873
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:16,739
maybe it was a you know a mask like uh

1874
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:20,640
like a coveted mask not a you know ski

1875
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:23,400
mask she was intoxicated she locked her

1876
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:26,219
door went to bed and the victims weren't

1877
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,920
found until later that day around noon

1878
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:30,960
right Aaron it was supposedly two people

1879
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:33,239
that were in in the house it's a

1880
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,560
three-story house and the thing that's

1881
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:37,199
surprising about the house is how small

1882
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:39,780
the square area of the the floors are

1883
01:19:43,370 --> 01:19:41,820
himself it's not a very big house it's

1884
01:19:45,649 --> 01:19:43,380
probably about the size of a two-bedroom

1885
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:45,659
apartment except like three stories tall

1886
01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:48,300
yeah like we call that a trinity in

1887
01:19:52,189 --> 01:19:49,860
Philadelphia from where I'm from it's

1888
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,199
like one room one room one room you know

1889
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:54,000
yeah but it's like a two bedroom

1890
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:55,560
apartment on each floor maybe a little

1891
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:57,960
less even it's it's not it's not that

1892
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:00,900
big which is uh right and it is a lot of

1893
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:03,420
people like the next lot has like 100

1894
01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:05,820
people living in apartment complex and

1895
01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:07,860
then there's so many people around there

1896
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:09,560
like somebody must have heard something

1897
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:12,900
but nobody I mean only the two people

1898
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:16,620
that were left alive uh upstairs claimed

1899
01:20:19,790 --> 01:20:18,300
to have heard something but that was I

1900
01:20:21,950 --> 01:20:19,800
mean again the defense will use like why

1901
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:21,960
didn't they call the cops what did they

1902
01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:23,580
have something to do with it right but

1903
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,040
they must be catching a lot of heat yeah

1904
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:28,560
and that's honestly what I'm aware I I

1905
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:31,920
worry when I see only the evidence and

1906
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:34,380
the probable cause after affidavit but

1907
01:20:38,030 --> 01:20:36,179
again I was reminded by somebody that's

1908
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:38,040
in law enforcement oh no he told me oh

1909
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:39,900
no Steve and they've got a lot more they

1910
01:20:43,970 --> 01:20:42,120
don't put everything in there they wait

1911
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:43,980
until the trial they've got a lot more

1912
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:45,960
on that guy than they put they put just

1913
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,640
enough in the probable cause after David

1914
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,920
to get the judge to sign off on the

1915
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:52,320
arrest you know they only have to show

1916
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:53,940
enough that there's probable cause for

1917
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,219
the arrest they have more information

1918
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,040
but I'm very concerned with with

1919
01:21:04,130 --> 01:21:01,920
Reasonable Doubt because

1920
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,140
you know like I said he could say oh

1921
01:21:08,570 --> 01:21:06,480
that murder sheath with my skin cells on

1922
01:21:11,330 --> 01:21:08,580
it somebody stole that from me it was

1923
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,340
taken out of my car I dropped it when I

1924
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,320
was hiking whatever he could say

1925
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:15,120
anything and he could try to explain

1926
01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:17,280
away those

1927
01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:19,260
um his car being near the scene of the

1928
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:22,199
crime 12 times as you know anything oh I

1929
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:24,120
I have insomnia I drive around at night

1930
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,900
or whatever all it takes is one you know

1931
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:29,120
uh

1932
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:33,540
one member of the jury to be not sure

1933
01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:36,900
you know to to for him to get off but

1934
01:21:41,450 --> 01:21:38,640
I'm hopeful that they have a lot more

1935
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,460
evidence and they'll get more evidence I

1936
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:43,199
think that heard that because there was

1937
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,380
concerns uh regarding getting a not

1938
01:21:50,689 --> 01:21:48,960
biased jury like there's not a lot of

1939
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:50,699
people in this town and a lot of people

1940
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:53,340
feel very strongly about this so if it's

1941
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,140
going to be like a lay talk County jury

1942
01:21:59,390 --> 01:21:57,900
would it be a fair jury there was some

1943
01:22:00,830 --> 01:21:59,400
discussion about that I'm not exactly

1944
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:00,840
sure how the laws work in this state

1945
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,760
they may move it yeah they may move it

1946
01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:04,800
it's a different venue they may move it

1947
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:06,840
to a different venue right they might

1948
01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:09,060
move it down to Boise and then I mean

1949
01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:13,260
and then that might come right archaic

1950
01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:14,760
revival see this is what I'm talking

1951
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,060
about so you gotta what what I think is

1952
01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:19,980
that surviving victim is going to be

1953
01:22:23,689 --> 01:22:21,780
suffering from tremendous survivors

1954
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,699
guilt and she's going to feel terrible

1955
01:22:27,709 --> 01:22:25,320
for the rest of her life for not having

1956
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:27,719
called the police right away or whatever

1957
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,420
or can't Revival was at a college party

1958
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:32,400
and a dude walked in wearing mirrored

1959
01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:36,060
scale male asses chaps so weird things

1960
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,100
happen in these college party houses all

1961
01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:40,320
the time she may have just

1962
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:42,600
certainly I'm sure the first thing that

1963
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,820
popped in her head wasn't a murderer

1964
01:22:50,209 --> 01:22:46,620
came in here and killed all my roommates

1965
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:50,219
just now you know it's it's unfortunate

1966
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,500
but uh

1967
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,679
yeah it's just but how Eerie must it

1968
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,960
must that woman feel the next day

1969
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,520
knowing that all those people were

1970
01:23:03,169 --> 01:23:01,920
killed and for those unaware the

1971
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:03,179
roommates thought that they were

1972
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,820
unconscious or or something they knocked

1973
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,560
on their doors and nobody answered

1974
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:10,320
upstairs right and the other areas of

1975
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:12,420
the house right and they were concerned

1976
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,300
so they called the police and the police

1977
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,520
arrived the another thing that the

1978
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:20,159
defense could use is uh the 9-1-1 call

1979
01:23:25,149 --> 01:23:22,920
wasn't over uh concerns of a homicide it

1980
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,159
was over concerns of uh

1981
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:28,080
non-responsiveness right but yeah you're

1982
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:29,880
not gonna like realize that some you

1983
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:32,460
know I mean the graphic details of the

1984
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:34,500
aftermath of what happened like how are

1985
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,460
you not going to notice those those

1986
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,380
details right like why would you say

1987
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,360
that that person was

1988
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:41,280
um not responsive why can't you say well

1989
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,739
I see a bunch of red everywhere right

1990
01:23:48,169 --> 01:23:46,020
and then that was that that could be

1991
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:48,179
used as well by the defense

1992
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,580
yeah Wesley says he could have given the

1993
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:52,800
real killer the knife to use

1994
01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,900
and he asked if anyone else has been

1995
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:56,760
arrested not knowing the killer made a

1996
01:24:01,010 --> 01:23:58,679
mistake leaving the knife cover behind

1997
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,020
could be and a lot of people have

1998
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,600
suggested that he left that knife sheath

1999
01:24:08,510 --> 01:24:05,520
on purpose to throw off the police

2000
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,520
because it was the U.S Marines uh sheath

2001
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,280
and he wasn't a U.S marine so maybe drop

2002
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:13,260
that on purpose so the police think that

2003
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:14,940
it's uh somebody in the military was

2004
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:17,340
involved there's so many possibilities

2005
01:24:22,189 --> 01:24:20,580
that this case makes my head spin and

2006
01:24:24,649 --> 01:24:22,199
and not about you Aaron but I just want

2007
01:24:26,450 --> 01:24:24,659
to get to the to the trial and hear all

2008
01:24:28,189 --> 01:24:26,460
the information and it's very you're

2009
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,199
right this gag order is very frustrating

2010
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:31,199
because it leads to a lot of

2011
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:33,000
misinformation out there and we don't

2012
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:34,500
know if what we're hearing is accurate

2013
01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:36,000
in many cases

2014
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:38,760
and uh I I just want to hear the case

2015
01:24:43,490 --> 01:24:41,100
and get all of the information out there

2016
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:43,500
but I understand you know they got to

2017
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:47,520
keep it I will give you one last bit of

2018
01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:49,320
uh just kind of like an irrelevant Point

2019
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:52,020
almost uh right around like a day or two

2020
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:54,239
after it happened like I frequent the

2021
01:24:59,149 --> 01:24:57,960
local gas station at around 12 30 quite

2022
01:25:01,310 --> 01:24:59,159
often

2023
01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:01,320
um and there were I was talking to the

2024
01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:03,659
cashier there and she said that they

2025
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:07,020
found a bag with blood in the in in the

2026
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,239
garbage can and they called the Moscow

2027
01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:11,520
PD to check it out they're not you know

2028
01:25:15,530 --> 01:25:13,260
but it's probably like hunting related

2029
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,540
somebody probably went home oh that's

2030
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,580
gross yeah right and they probably could

2031
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:19,320
be related yeah it could be related

2032
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,780
right so it's like you know imagine if

2033
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:23,760
that happened where like after it

2034
01:25:27,649 --> 01:25:25,500
happened he dropped like a bag full of

2035
01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,659
blood in uh in the garbage can at the

2036
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:29,699
gas station right and they ended up

2037
01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:31,020
calling the police over it but it's

2038
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,239
probably just hunting related but that's

2039
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:35,760
something to keep in mind as well

2040
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:39,780
yeah yeah well Aaron what is uh we'll

2041
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:41,820
close with this what is the mood around

2042
01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:44,280
the campus now that they've arrested the

2043
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:46,380
suspect is everybody taking like sort of

2044
01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,900
breathe the sigh of relief is the

2045
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,640
general consensus that they got the

2046
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:52,800
right guy and everybody

2047
01:25:58,970 --> 01:25:56,580
feels a little safer now or or what what

2048
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:58,980
is it like no I would I would say that's

2049
01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:02,159
about it yeah I think most people are

2050
01:26:07,010 --> 01:26:04,500
are pretty convinced at this point uh

2051
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:07,020
but regard you know giving what's been

2052
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:09,480
put out so far most people are convinced

2053
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,679
that the suspect will be found guilty uh

2054
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,840
but every the atmosphere has calm down

2055
01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:17,940
there are like I still go to the library

2056
01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:20,340
every night and come back there are no

2057
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:22,380
more State Police there are no more cops

2058
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:25,380
there are police presence has has ramped

2059
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,719
down since the arrest there's no there's

2060
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:29,840
no police almost anywhere like anymore

2061
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:32,400
everybody's calm now about it

2062
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:34,500
everybody's certain that that person is

2063
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,600
is the correct person that they got yeah

2064
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:38,820
generally yeah

2065
01:26:44,450 --> 01:26:41,760
yeah well well good I hope that they did

2066
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:44,460
get the right guy and I I for one sure

2067
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,620
hope that he's convicted I mean there's

2068
01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:48,239
always a possibility there won't be a

2069
01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:50,940
trial if if they if there's gonna be is

2070
01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:53,100
do you know in Idaho is there the death

2071
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:55,860
penalty yes that's on the table right

2072
01:27:00,169 --> 01:26:58,020
now so that's why you kill four people

2073
01:27:01,970 --> 01:27:00,179
you're get you you've got a real good

2074
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:01,980
possibility of the death penalty you

2075
01:27:05,330 --> 01:27:03,900
know he qualifies he qualifies for a

2076
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:05,340
death penalty about three times over

2077
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:07,620
right now because it was uh if you kill

2078
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,940
somebody while you're killing somebody

2079
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,560
else in Idaho that gets you for the

2080
01:27:14,090 --> 01:27:12,239
death penalty

2081
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:14,100
um in a manner in which it was done and

2082
01:27:17,390 --> 01:27:15,780
so he qualifies for a death penalty like

2083
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:17,400
three or four like three to five times

2084
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:19,139
at least that I could think of off top

2085
01:27:22,669 --> 01:27:20,760
of my head the thing is I think it has

2086
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:22,679
to be a unanimous jury so if they move

2087
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:24,300
it down to Ada County it's less likely

2088
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:27,120
to happen yeah but still when the death

2089
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:29,159
penalty is on the table a lot of these

2090
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,780
guys plead

2091
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:32,760
because they'd rather do life in prison

2092
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:34,920
so he might take a plea deal for life in

2093
01:27:39,010 --> 01:27:37,860
prison and there won't be a trial but

2094
01:27:40,970 --> 01:27:39,020
but

2095
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:40,980
he's so hey I was just going to say

2096
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:43,139
given this guy's level of arrogance and

2097
01:27:47,689 --> 01:27:44,639
how he thinks he's better than everybody

2098
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:47,699
and smarter than everybody I still think

2099
01:27:51,649 --> 01:27:49,020
he thinks he's going to get away with

2100
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,659
this and he's going to go to trial could

2101
01:27:56,450 --> 01:27:53,280
you imagine if he does get away with

2102
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:56,460
this like what that would be like the

2103
01:28:00,110 --> 01:27:58,260
history that would that would be bigger

2104
01:28:03,890 --> 01:28:00,120
I mean that would be like OJ like let me

2105
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:03,900
right I mean but yeah that would that

2106
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:11,750
yeah well I appreciate you coming here

2107
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:15,239
and uh starting our series on this we'll

2108
01:28:18,770 --> 01:28:17,100
maybe we'll do another update when the

2109
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:18,780
trial comes around or when we actually

2110
01:28:23,870 --> 01:28:21,659
have new or real information it's very

2111
01:28:26,090 --> 01:28:23,880
frustrating now you know I keep trying

2112
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,100
to find more information but there's

2113
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:28,380
very little out there until the case

2114
01:28:33,050 --> 01:28:31,320
uh until the case progresses right until

2115
01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:33,060
we get to the actual

2116
01:28:37,010 --> 01:28:34,860
you know case and I'm sure it's going to

2117
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,020
be televised and we'll get every sort of

2118
01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:39,960
detail eventually right yes and it's not

2119
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:41,639
the trial it's the preliminary hearing

2120
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:44,580
in in June so it's gonna oh so it's

2121
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,900
still going to be a while before the

2122
01:28:48,530 --> 01:28:47,760
trial then you have preliminary hearing

2123
01:28:51,169 --> 01:28:48,540
yeah

2124
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:51,179
right okay well I want to thank you for

2125
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:52,800
joining us and you're always welcome to

2126
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:54,060
come back we're going to be covering

2127
01:28:57,950 --> 01:28:55,500
other True Crime stuff if you're

2128
01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:57,960
interested but this one I thought

2129
01:29:02,030 --> 01:29:00,060
for sure you got to come on Aaron's you

2130
01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:02,040
live right there you know well thank you

2131
01:29:04,970 --> 01:29:03,480
so much for having me Stephen I'm a huge

2132
01:29:05,870 --> 01:29:04,980
fan of the show and I watch every night

2133
01:29:09,169 --> 01:29:05,880
and

2134
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:09,179
it was great yeah yeah great see I'm

2135
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:11,340
going to be anytime that uh anytime I

2136
01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:12,900
meet somebody like you as soon as you

2137
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:14,760
tell me where you're from I'm like do

2138
01:29:19,610 --> 01:29:17,040
you know about this item these murders

2139
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:19,620
you know yeah it's just a good

2140
01:29:24,110 --> 01:29:21,840
synchronicity and and thanks for going

2141
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:24,120
and getting the footage and and sharing

2142
01:29:27,410 --> 01:29:25,560
your thoughts especially from the local

2143
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:27,420
residents it's good to see how they feel

2144
01:29:31,610 --> 01:29:29,580
or or what people are saying right there

2145
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,620
in the area

2146
01:29:35,810 --> 01:29:33,840
right anyway well thank you so much

2147
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:35,820
Stephen for having me on all right I

2148
01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:38,340
appreciate it thanks very much all right

2149
01:29:43,729 --> 01:29:40,980
friends so uh we have successfully

2150
01:29:46,850 --> 01:29:43,739
gotten through another episode tonight

2151
01:29:50,510 --> 01:29:46,860
at 9 00 PM eastern time uh we have

2152
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:50,520
another great show for you I am doubling

2153
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:51,900
up today

2154
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:54,719
uh and we are going to have an interview

2155
01:30:00,410 --> 01:29:57,060
tonight with Brian Dunning from skept

2156
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away media uh Brian is an incredible

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author researcher and interested in all

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things strange and mysterious but leads

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towards the skeptical and scientific

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side he runs a non-profit called

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skeptoic media

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um and uh you really want to be here

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tonight for that it's going to be a

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great interview

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um

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I'll uh take a few questions or comments

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what if he didn't do it well

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I think it would be an incredible turn

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of events if it turned out that he was

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innocent but I'm open to the possibility

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but I think there's just too much

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evidence pointing right at him

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uh I can't I can't imagine them finding

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him Innocent but stranger things has

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have happened

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blacklisted he will drag out the trial

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for publicity yeah I think he's going to

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enjoy being the center of attention

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being so arrogant and self-important I I

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agree with you 100 blacklisted and by

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the way I wanted to mention I see a lot

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of new faces here in the description or

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excuse me here in the live chat that we

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haven't seen before True Crime is not

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our usual we're wheelhouse but it's one

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of my other great interests and passions

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so we will be

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um we will be

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pursuing more of it I want to just check

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in with a few things real quickly and we

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will remind you that we are a viewer

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um

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and we

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one second here let me just check in

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with that

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and we appreciate all of your support uh

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Ian tell you about that uh if you are

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new to the channel welcome uh we cover

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usually we cover many strange and

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esoteric topics

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from conspiracy land uh but we will be

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venturing into the world of True Crime a

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little more now I'm hopeful that we're

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all of you new viewers if you are new to

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um I have some other True Crime here

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including a series called murder in UFO

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land

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um as well as one episode which we will

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be updating shortly

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of a series called getting away with

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murder where I am investigating a 30

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year old double murder Cold Case in my

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home town here where I live of

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Warminster Pennsylvania that's called

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getting away with murder you can check

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our previous videos so we do have a

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little bit of True Crime stuff here uh

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and hopefully we will have more soon

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here's Ian to let you know how you could

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all of you guys for coming here

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especially since this isn't our usual

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sort of topics uh and like I said I saw

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many new people here in the live chat uh

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Melinda says I've been following a while

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just don't get to catch lives off in her

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chat it's a crack up to see you go after

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all those super soldiers I'm sorry but I

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grew up on the reading Captain America

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comic books and I know all about the

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super soldier serum and everything and

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it's just so funny to me that these guys

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have super powers in fact I uh I don't

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know if you were aware Melinda but I

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challenged Randy Kramer to a boxing

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match so he can prove that he has super

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powers

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and uh he he declined he didn't want to

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do it

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um but I did offer him ten thousand

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dollars to do a boxing match with me uh

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and I thought that he should be able to

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uh easily he should be able to beat me

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up because he has super powers but

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apparently uh Mr Kramer did not want to

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take part in that it was going to be for

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charity I thought it was a good idea

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here we see

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true Seekers promotions presents pound

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for pound ten thousand dollar prize

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who's fooling who cambium versus Kramer

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uh and it does say that uh superpowers

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strictly prohibited but that's kind of

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01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:50,280
the joke the point of it was to allow

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him to prove that he has superpowers

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01:37:57,110 --> 01:37:55,199
uh isn't it interesting that none of

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these guys none of these guys want to

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prove that they have the superpowers

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right none of them want to prove it uh

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interesting

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um so

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I don't know it's it's a strange

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it's a strange sort of hobby of mine to

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listen to these guys tell their

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superpowers there's Hulks uh there's

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guys that claim that they have

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superpowers like the Incredible Hulk

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some of them are like Captain America

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one guy's got lasers that pop out of his

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forearms and stuff but he can't show

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them to you it's just ridiculous right

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um yes and uh I want to remind uh star

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Hunter saying don't forget patreon and

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Twitter uh for those unaware I'm gonna

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show you

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um uh let's see if we can't uh let's see

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if I can't show you a few people ask me

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what you get in the patreon OR for being

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a member uh you get some extra goodies

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including Early Access uh so I will show

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you right here we've had

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um four I think four

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members videos this month but those are

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Early Access

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we've got Elena danion tries to climb

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over Corey good and become the next SSP

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Superstar we've got a video Randy melts

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down threatens violence one question

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caused all this this is when he was

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forced to answer questions about his

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he's a fake marine and a fake Navy SEAL

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so we've got all the records to prove

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that we he was forced on a show to

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answer about that and he started

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threatening violence and cursing and

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screaming

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uh we've got a Bonus video recorded good

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deposition Fallout the lies and

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contradictions and a new music video for

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me uh with uh AI artist Sheila aliens

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and these are all Early Access videos so

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those will debut sometime this weekend

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this is our new plan what I'm doing now

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is those short produced videos with all

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the bells and whistles the music and

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better production Better Sound those are

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all being released to patreon and

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members and then

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on the weekends they will debut and

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these are short videos three minutes

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five minutes ten minute videos these

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aren't the long form videos

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um and just so you're aware

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though perhaps ad support it you have to

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um so all of our content is free we're

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what we do throw a couple bucks in our

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hat and help us uh continue this journey

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but all of our content is always free

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with few exceptions there's a monthly

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anybody to not be able to get that stuff

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I hate putting things behind a paywall

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things going right

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uh

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01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,239
familiar probably met him well sorry to

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hear that

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01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:25,620
and Melinda was good friends with Aaron

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01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:28,560
green Hicks years ago yeah I wonder

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01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:31,440
where all those people are right pretty

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01:41:35,629 --> 01:41:32,760
interesting

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Chaser and Geo savings so basically

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anywhere you get your audio podcasts

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you'll be able to find us just search

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for truth Seekers and look for the

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strange guy with sunglasses that would

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be me and uh we appreciate all of you

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out there so I want to remind you uh

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that we will be doing an another show

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tonight at our usual time 9 pm eastern

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time and for those who asked we're going

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to be throwing in some bonus shows and

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this will be the time for those bonus

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shows will be 1 30 p.m eastern time and

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some of these bonus shows will be not in

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our usual wheelhouse and given that

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they're not I thought it'd be best to

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just do them do our normal shows every

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week at 9 00 PM Eastern Time covering

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normal topics that we've been covering

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for quite some time but when we have one

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of these True Crime shows or other shows

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those will be at 1 30 PM eastern time

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and tonight we have a conversation with

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Brian Dunning from skeptoid media and

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we're going to be talking about all

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kinds of things UFOs Bigfoot conspiracy

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theories Chemtrails all of it and

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Brian's going to be a great guest great

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author you could find his books on

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Amazon and more

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so we'll be back 9 p.m eastern time

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tonight I hope you'll be here with us

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and so that's all I got for you for now

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and do me a favor if you enjoy this true

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crime uh sort of a show let me know in

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the comments that you want to see more

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of this uh because I would like to if

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the viewers would like to see it we'll

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bring it to you let me know in the

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comments if there's other cases you

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would like to hear more about or I may

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be doing some more investigation type

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shows into different cases let me know

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in the comments what it is that you guys

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would like to see and we'll try to bring

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it to you so that's all we got for you I

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am going to be back at 9 00 p.m eastern

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time this evening with a great guest uh

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Brian from skeptawayed media uh and if

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you haven't checked out uh him you you

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gotta check him out you will truly enjoy

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his content and uh very scientific

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investigation sword-based uh I I I love

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skeptoid it's just a great resource and

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I consider it a great resource like mine

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where you can go to his YouTube channel

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if you're if you want to know the truth

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behind certain conspiracy theories like

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Q or Chemtrails you just look it up put

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it in his search bar and they've done a

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show breaking it all down for you it's a

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tremendous resource and it's a

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non-profit organization which I love so

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that's all I got for you we'll be back 9

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p.m eastern time tonight I hope you'll

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be here with us I will be here hope to

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see you too until next time uh well you

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know what I I have to do a different

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bumper I almost uh yeah we we haven't

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different uh a different out here if I

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could find it right uh

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yeah so until next time friends my name

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is Stephen Campion

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